Extinction Rebellion protesters - what to do?

Awol

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Upon my soul, who would have thunk it!

RESEARCH CONFIRMS EXTINCTION REBELLION IS OVERWHELMINGLY MIDDLE CLASS & SOUTHERN


Yes, but I’m sure that if they weren’t middle class and financially comfortable, and instead were working 14 hours a day in a polluting tyre factory whilst solely supporting six children, they would still hold such views.
 
Yes, but I’m sure that if they weren’t middle class and financially comfortable, and instead were working 14 hours a day in a polluting tyre factory whilst solely supporting six children, they would still hold such views.
All that plus time for navel gazing. Outstanding!
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Upon my soul, who would have thunk it!

RESEARCH CONFIRMS EXTINCTION REBELLION IS OVERWHELMINGLY MIDDLE CLASS & SOUTHERN

I fail to see your point. Extinction Rebellion wants to prevent the destruction of the planet (and humanity). Surely that's in the interest of all human beings, regardless of their "class"? If such "middle-class and southern" folks can enlist the support of "lesser beings" (in your eyes), then their job is done and their message is making an impact - hopefully.

So what, in your opinion, should be the general/average composition of such demonstrations? Should it be the ubiquitous and oft-mentioned "great unwashed"? Whereby there's never been any evidence whatsoever that such a "great unwashed" crowd exists, but it sounds good as a constant meme to summarily disqualify very concerned citizens without ever addressing their very real concerns. How, er, "democratic", eh?

MsG
 
Now with BLM as the current fashionable cause?
They're both Marxist fronts, it's all about establishing a totalitarian regime to lord it over the workers
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
They're both Marxist fronts, it's all about establishing a totalitarian regime to lord it over the workers
[My bold in your quote] That's been the objective of Capitalism from the very offset! And what do you mean by "Marxist fronts"? Do you have any idea about "Marxism", fella?

MsG
 

daz

LE
[My bold in your quote] That's been the objective of Capitalism from the very offset! And what do you mean by "Marxist fronts"? Do you have any idea about "Marxism", fella?

MsG
Like the SWP they are hard-left Marxist who are unable to offer the electorate a convincing argument as to why they should be elected to govern a country, hence turning to "activism" to impose their "beliefs & standards" on the majority of the population via the use of the tactics of "Permanent revolution" as theorised by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels - Peter Tatchell also promoted this view on left-wing activism action & tactics BTW going back as far as his days in the GLF.

Ps, Substitute Race/Gender/Environment for Class - same tactics, same bile & bigotry, same denouncements to get the "oppressed" on "side"
 

RBMK

Old-Salt
[My bold in your quote] That's been the objective of Capitalism from the very offset! And what do you mean by "Marxist fronts"? Do you have any idea about "Marxism", fella?

MsG
Actually it's been the objective of every Marxist / Leninist / Trotskyist state since the invention of the concept of socialism. And yes, I do have a pretty good idea about Marxism. A philosophy doomed to failure by not recognising the innate desire of mankind to better itself and the failure to recognise the risk / reward connection.
 

NSP

LE
Well, that looks like another reasonable thread about to head in a well-known direction, then...
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Actually it's been the objective of every Marxist / Leninist / Trotskyist state since the invention of the concept of socialism. And yes, I do have a pretty good idea about Marxism. A philosophy doomed to failure by not recognising the innate desire of mankind to better itself and the failure to recognise the risk / reward connection.
You have a "pretty good idea about Marxism"? Really? So tell me about this, er, alleged "innate desire of mankind" (I notice you didn't state "humankind") to "better itself". I'd be really interested in that. Not to be confused with the purely Capitalist notion inculcated since birth, of course.

And what exactly do you mean by "better yourself" with regard to humankind? Do you mean growing bigger? Having bigger feet? Bigger hands? Smaller hands? What?

MsG
 

NSP

LE
^ This.
 

RBMK

Old-Salt
You have a "pretty good idea about Marxism"? Really? So tell me about this, er, alleged "innate desire of mankind" (I notice you didn't state "humankind") to "better itself". I'd be really interested in that. Not to be confused with the purely Capitalist notion inculcated since birth, of course.

And what exactly do you mean by "better yourself" with regard to humankind? Do you mean growing bigger? Having bigger feet? Bigger hands? Smaller hands? What?

MsG
I will humour you with a reply although your aggressive tone makes it appear that you wish to have an argument.

Mankind / humankind, you say potato, I sat potarto.

If "human" kind in general had no desire to better itself then we would still be living in caves and foraging for leaves and berries and chasing bison with clubs. That's one aspect.

The second aspect is equally simple, if I, or the vast majority of other people, works his / her backside off then they deserve to be rewarded for this. Otherwise why would we bother to work harder than anyone else? There is of course the oft used Communist solution that if you don't work you get sent to the Gulag.

The Gulag solution has been proven less than useful as you just end up with a bunch of talented people breaking rocks. The "capitalist" solution is to reward people for their efforts, thus brain surgeons get well paid and drive nice cars, and street sweepers have to get the bus to work.

There are corrupt people in all societies who will exploit their fellow humans, this is equally true of communist regimes such as in North Korea and China as it is of capitalist regimes of the West.

The key difference is that there is a generally free press in the West whilst communist bloc countries have state controlled media.
 
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DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
If "human" kind in general had no desire to better itself then we would still be living in caves and foraging for leaves and berries and chasing bison with clubs. That's one aspect.

The second aspect is equally simple, if I, or the vast majority of other people, works his / her backside off then they deserve to be rewarded for this. Otherwise why would we bother to work harder than anyone else? There is of course the oft used Communist solution that if you don't work you get sent to the Gulag.
You still haven't answered the question! Just what you mean by "better yourself"? If you have no real problems in your everyday life and everything is going to plan and you're comfortable, as it were, what is there to "better"?

MsG
 
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