Extinction Rebellion protesters - what to do?

Laughed at in her carbon-free carbon fibre boat, thoroughly ignored in America and now clearly despised in Canada.

Is it too early to ask if it's going like she imagined it would?
TBH, since we're going to the polls today, I'd almost think that Greta would be considered "foreign meddling" in our election.

But since 90% of the Canadian media are on-message with Greta, I'm certain that head will never be reared.
 
Absoloutely, cover those two or three and what do you think will happen?

They wouldn’t lie about their intentions to deceive would they.
With all due respect, they did not lie about the locations in Westminster. They turned up exactly where they - and the great planners of the Met - said they would. Yet the Met allowed them to put down roots, then wondered why it took so long to shift them later.

The police love to witter on about "intelligence-led" operations, particularly when justifying shooting scrotes. Of course XR might have to change locations if they rock up and find a van load of coppers waiting for them. Great, you have just disrupted, at the very least, Plan A.
 
They don't like it up 'em Mr Mainwaring!!

How precious. Only their point of view has any validity and fuck anyone else.
 

StormsInAfrica

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Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the Climate
Stuart Basden
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Jan 10 · 6 min read
Yes, yes, I know. The climate is breaking down. It’s urgent. An emergency. We’ve only got a few years left to ‘fix’ it.
Indeed, we won’t fix it. Weather patterns will become increasingly unstable and unpredictable, and the effects it will soon have on how humans around the world grow food will be devastating, likely causing harvests to fail across entire continents and food prices to sky-rocket. Millions have already suffered due to the amplified instability. We’re facing imminent societal collapse (whatever that means), both around the world and in the UK. All of our lives are soon going to radically change.
None of this is particularly controversial. When a bus is driving with a certain momentum towards a person, it gets clearer and clearer that it will hit the person. After a certain point, it’s inevitable. And that’s where we stand now, with regards to the momentum of climatic change. The bus is about to hit us. Our lives are about to change. It’s not clear whether or not we’ll survive (as a species). Many species have already been run over. Two hundred species each and every day go extinct.
I’ve been with Extinction Rebellion (XR) from the start. I was one of the 15 people in April 2018 who came together and made the collective decision to try to create the conditions that would initiate a rebellion. I was a coordinator of one of the original five working groups, and I’ve been organising with XR day-and-night since then (frugally living off my savings so I don’t have to work, having quit an industry that paid me £1000/week). And I’ve been in RisingUp (the organisation from which XR has emerged) since the first RisingUp action in November 2016. I’m a RisingUp Holding Group member, and a member of the XR Guardianship Team.
And for the sake of transparency: that previous paragraph is all about me ‘pulling rank’ — I’m trying to convince you to listen to what I have to say…
And I’m here to say that XR isn’t about the climate. You see, the climate’s breakdown is a symptom of a toxic system of that has infected the ways we relate to each other as humans and to all life. This was exacerbated when European ‘civilisation’ was spread around the globe through cruelty and violence (especially) over the last 600 years of colonialism, although the roots of the infections go much further back.
As Europeans spread their toxicity around the world, they brought torture, genocide, carnage and suffering to the ends of the earth. Their cultural myths justified the horrors, such as the idea that indigenous people were animals (not humans), and therefore God had given us dominion over them. This was used to justify a multi-continent-wide genocide of tens of millions of people. The coming of the scientific era saw this intensify, as the world around us was increasingly seen as ‘dead’ matter — just sitting there waiting for us to exploit it and use it up. We’re now using it up faster than ever.
Euro-Americans violently imposed and taught dangerous delusions that they used to justify the exploitation and reinforced our dominance, while silencing worldviews that differed or challenged them. The UK’s hand in this was enormous, as can be seen by the size of the former British empire, and the dominance of the English language around the world. There is stark evidence that everyday racial bias continues in Britain, now, today. It’s worth naming some of these constructed delusions that have been coded into societies and institutions around the world:
  • The delusion of white-supremacy centres whiteness and the experience of white people, constructing and perpetuating the myth that white people and their lives are somehow inherently better and more valuable than people of colour.
  • The delusion of patriarchy centres the male experience, and excludes/hinders female assigned people from public life (reducing them to a possession or object for ownership or consumption). Patriarchy teaches dominating and competitive behaviours, and emphasises the idea that the world is a place of scarcity, separation and powerlessness.
  • The delusions of Eurocentrism include the notion that Europeans know what is best for the world.
  • The delusions of hetero-sexism/heteronormativity propagate the idea that heterosexuality is ‘normal’ and that other expressions of sexuality are deviant.
  • The delusions of class hierarchy uphold the theory that the rich elite are better/smarter/nobler than the rest of us, and make therefore better decisions.
There are other delusions. These delusions have become ingrained in all of us, taught to us from a very young age.
None of these delusions have ended, although some of the arguments that supported them (e.g. phrenology) have been dispelled. They continue to play out through each of us, in our ways of relating, regardless of our identity. The current pride in the history of the British empire, or the idea that the USA is on the side of ‘good’, continues to enable neo-colonialism in 2019, taking the form of palm-oil plantations, resources wars, and the parasitical financial sector, to name but a few. The task of Extinction Rebellion is to dispel these delusions. We need to cure the causes of the infection, not just alleviate the symptoms. To focus on the climate’s breakdown (the symptom) without focusing attention on these toxic delusions (the causes) is a form a denialism. Worse, it’s a racist and sexist form of denialism, that takes away from the necessary focus of the need for all of us to de-colonise our selves.
My ancestors are European, some of whom claimed to ‘own’ people as slaves. There are black people with the name Basden in the Americas, and I have begun to mobilise my (white) family to make contact in order to seek to pay reparations.
However, my own accountability cannot be fully paid through this. The insanity* of the mind of the coloniser continues today. It continues in the extraction of fossil fuels, minerals and water from the earth. It continues in deforestation and industrial agriculture. It continues in a callous culture of consumption, which intensifies each Christmas. It continues in evictions and deportations. It continues in the ways of relating to those around us that perpetuate separation and division.
The result is isolation, pain and suffering. The result can be felt at the individual level — in the endemic levels of loneliness and mental-health illness. It can be felt at the community level — in the theft of land for plunder and profit by largely-European-and-US-based banks and corporations. And it can be felt at the global level — in the polluting of our air and oceans.
So Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the climate. It’s not even about ‘climate justice’**, although that is also important. If we only talk about the climate, we’re missing the deeper problems plaguing our culture. And if we don’t excise the cause of the infection, we can never hope to heal from it.
This article is calling to all of those who are involved in XR who sometimes slip into saying it’s a climate movement. It’s a call to the American rebels who made a banner saying “CLIMATE extinction rebellion”. It’s a call to the XR Media & Messaging teams to never get sloppy with the messaging and ‘reduce’ it to climate issues. It’s a call to the XR community to never say we’re a climate movement. Because we’re not. We’re a Rebellion. And we’re rebelling to highlight and heal from the insanity that is leading to our extinction. Now tell the truth and act like it.

* I use the term ‘insanity’ carefully, with the intention of highlighting the need for healing. Indigenous First Nation people helpfully taught me to see the mindset of the coloniser as a sickness. In no way do I intend to marginalise or discredit the experience of people who have been labelled ‘insane’ by a normative system, nor who identify as being ‘insane’.
** Climate Justice refers to the injustice that those who are affected first and worst by extreme weather events (the people in the poorer countries, the majority of whom live in the Global South) are not likely to be the ones who caused the climate emissions (the people who consume the most, including the pathologically wasteful cultures of Europe and Turtle Island (aka North America), and the rich who live/travel around the world).
I've never read such b*****.
 

StormsInAfrica

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People of this country wonder why there’s so much crime and lack of respect of the police. Honest to god, this country is fucked if the chief of police for one force has to spend time away from real matters to appease the fascist left.
Are you ******* kidding me?

I love the less than subtle inference that if you choose not to use the correct pronouns, as determined by the subject, you'll be getting a visit from us.

Starts with control of your pronouns, ends with arrests for climate change denial or whatever capricious little "woke" whim is de riguer today.
 
Obviously willing to die for the cause...

"No people's assembly due to weather
Protesters have decided not to hold a people’s assembly because of the incoming bad weather.

Instead they are encouraging people to network with each other and get to know one another."
Network away guys!

 
With all due respect, they did not lie about the locations in Westminster. They turned up exactly where they - and the great planners of the Met - said they would. Yet the Met allowed them to put down roots, then wondered why it took so long to shift them later.

The police love to witter on about "intelligence-led" operations, particularly when justifying shooting scrotes. Of course XR might have to change locations if they rock up and find a van load of coppers waiting for them. Great, you have just disrupted, at the very least, Plan A.
During this latest demonstration, The Met did what they are legally obliged to do, facilitate lawful protest, they did this by producing a S14 POA 1986 notice limiting the protest to Trafalgar Square. That’s where the protest centred.

When they subsequently went elsewhere, they were arrested, when The T Sq protest failed to contain itself within the pedestrian area it was deemed unlawful and cleared.

Yes, the police failed to keep pace often with the protests springing up and resources meant that some of the trickier lock ons took longer to clear than would have been ideal.

However they were generally quickly contained, stopping them from growing and eventually cleared safely and lawfully. 1700 were eventually arrested.

My point was that no matter what pre knowledge police have of the demonstration it will be impossible to completely cover the city and stop things starting with the resources available and the law as it stands.
 
During this latest demonstration, The Met did what they are legally obliged to do, facilitate lawful protest, they did this by producing a S14 POA 1986 notice limiting the protest to Trafalgar Square. That’s where the protest centred.

When they subsequently went elsewhere, they were arrested, when The T Sq protest failed to contain itself within the pedestrian area it was deemed unlawful and cleared.

Yes, the police failed to keep pace often with the protests springing up and resources meant that some of the trickier lock ons took longer to clear than would have been ideal.

However they were generally quickly contained, stopping them from growing and eventually cleared safely and lawfully. 1700 were eventually arrested.

My point was that no matter what pre knowledge police have of the demonstration it will be impossible to completely cover the city and stop things starting with the resources available and the law as it stands.
Gen question, on what basis is it deemed necessary to “unglue” / unlock people from various things, when there’s no direct risk to life? Would a better tactic be to just leave them there, to piss themselves etc??
 
Gen question, on what basis is it deemed necessary to “unglue” / unlock people from various things, when there’s no direct risk to life? Would a better tactic be to just leave them there, to piss themselves etc??
If they are not obstructing the highway or impeding access to work or buildings they would not be a priority to release.

On several occasions last week, my colleagues and I were dragging or pushing protestors who were locked together onto the pavement from the road before they could get settled and then just containing them off the road often in the rain.
 
Superglue is quickly dissolved using Coke or other solvents and doesn’t take long to release.

Complex multi material lock on tubes which can take hours to safely cut through or those at height are the time consuming releases.

Vehicles driven across the road and stopped with multiple lock ons are again difficult to resolve quickly.

Especially with thousands of people who are actively seeking to be arrested.
 
If they are not obstructing the highway or impeding access to work or buildings they would not be a priority to release.

On several occasions last week, my colleagues and I were dragging or pushing protestors who were locked together onto the pavement from the road before they could get settled and then just containing them off the road often in the rain.
Keep an eye on them until their mild hypothermia worsens, release and let them make their own way to A & E.
 
If they are not obstructing the highway or impeding access to work or buildings they would not be a priority to release.
If they are glued to the doors of an office building or bank etc - is that not then obstructing a fire exit

In which case cant they not be released with urgency by smashing the glass - in the name of safety - and rather than arresting them hut them with the repair costs - Parts Labour and an environmental tax surcharge**


**Even if that's only pennies - just for fueling the tabloids
 
If they are glued to the doors of an office building or bank etc - is that not then obstructing a fire exit

In which case cant they not be released with urgency by smashing the glass - in the name of safety - and rather than arresting them hut them with the repair costs - Parts Labour and an environmental tax surcharge**


**Even if that's only pennies - just for fueling the tabloids
That would be impeding access to a building or work, which I mentioned. Why would police smash £thousand of glass, when solvents will dissolve the glue.

However, if other lock ons are of a higher priority then they may stay there for a while.
 
An overview of how police are required to operate


Police request legislation changes.

There seems to be a new breed of protester - the ‘Mrs Miggins’ and ‘Jeremy the ex bank manager’, who consider themselves pillars of the community and, that the juxtaposition of their previously conformist background and - normal protester stereotypes, somehow enhances their ‘protest’.
Mrs Miggins would think twice about glueing herself to a burger king door if- the consequences could be her feeling she can never show her face in civilised society again- after the daily mail published her shit streaked and piss wet through.
 
Superglue is quickly dissolved using Coke or other solvents and doesn’t take long to release.

...
Never knew that but shocked by the realisation that Coke is a 'solvent'! Can the general public self-help with a cola type beverage if their route is blocked to their place of work i.e. entry door or is this assault?
 
Never knew that but shocked by the realisation that Coke is a 'solvent'! Can the general public self-help with a cola type beverage if their route is blocked to their place of work i.e. entry door or is this assault?
I don’t think that Coke is technically a solvent but it is acidic. Drop a dirty coin into it a see how well it cleans it.
 
I generally wouldn’t advise MOP getting involved, for fear of litigation or unfounded allegations. Not really worth it.
 

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