Express: "‘National Disgrace!’ Britons Furious As Royal Navy Declared Smaller Than Italy's - Poll"

Worth noting that the Soviet Pacific fleet was and is a relatively small percentage... Dozen SSNs plus a squadron or so of Destroyers?
Back in the day, the Soviet Pacific fleet had a couple of Kievs and a couple of KIrovs, associated escorts, plus all the boats. Point being the JMSDF role was to provide (exclusively) defensive sea control in the seas relatively local to Japan, with the USN doing the heavy lifting offensively elsewhere.

Their force structure hasn't changed that much that I've seen... Other than announcing a squadron of Daves on their 'definitely not carriers which are definitely quite small' Izumo.
Of course not, because their raison d'etre has not changed, just the likely threat country - perhaps I didn't make that clear. It's that nice Mr Xi and his eyes on the Senkaku they're worried about at the minute, rather than the equally nice, (but currently less ambitious in that area) Mr Putin.
 

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Back in the day, the Soviet Pacific fleet had a couple of Kievs and a couple of KIrovs, associated escorts, plus all the boats. Point being the JMSDF role was to provide (exclusively) defensive sea control in the seas relatively local to Japan, with the USN doing the heavy lifting offensively elsewhere.



Of course not, because their raison d'etre has not changed, just the likely threat country - perhaps I didn't make that clear. It's that nice Mr Xi and his eyes on the Senkaku they're worried about at the minute, rather than the equally nice, (but currently less ambitious in that area) Mr Putin.

Still far less powerful than their Atlantic fleet... You'd think the roles were reversed based upon their Navy and ours.
 
So the electorate will sign up for fewer hospitals, schools and road maintenance programmes in order to increase the Defence Budget: I think not.
The electorate is worried about their jobs, their mortgages, their health, their kids, their pensions - assuming they can live long enough to actually collect them - violent crime, flooding, terrorism, that slapper who killed herself and Chinky Flu. How many war canoes the Navy have is very far down the list of things that concern them.
 
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Thing is you can have a fleet of 100 floaty things, but if you can't get the people to join the Navy to crew the floaty things then all you have is floating empty boxes.

Recruitment seems a massive issue for both the Navy and Army but the RAF are doing better, there has to be a reason for this and until we can get manning levels to sustain the kit we have, building extra kit is totally pointless.

RAF women are hotter and wear stockings.
 

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A little tweak for you there. The good Admiral was never one to avoid self publicity. Indeed IIRC he (allegedly) ran himself on as 1SL (thereby f*cking up the chances of some other worthy candidates) simply so he could be "at the helm" so to speak for Trafalgar 200.
And a little tweak for you too, given that I have never heard the rumour you mention. Sorry I hadn't realised that only seven other 1SLs besides Alan West have completed over three years in post in the last 40 years, including three of his successors. I'd also be interested to know which other worthy candidates you would have placed ahead of Jonathon Band around the appropriate time.

To be fair, I respect the point you make about self-publicity, but I believe that it's equally fair to say that Alan has tried hard to make a respectable job of it.

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The electorate is worried about their jobs, their mortgages, their health, their kids, their pensions - assuming they can live long enough to actually collect them - violent crime, flooding, terrorism, that slapper who killed herself and Chinky Flu. How many war canoes the Navy have is very far down the list of things that concern them.
I love Arrse. Spent today in an ultra-PC Council environment. Lolled out loud at this.
 
Still far less powerful than their Atlantic fleet... You'd think the roles were reversed based upon their Navy and ours.
It's not particularly pertinent to compare our fleet now - and the current scale of threat - to the JMSDF fleet now and the level of threat they faced at the back end of the 80s. While Ivan is coming back, he's a long way from the days of the Red Banner Northern Fleet (not to mention the Baltic and Black sea fleets), whereas the PLAN is a far more dynamic and capable beast.
 
To be fair, I respect the point you make about self-publicity, but I believe that it's equally fair to say that Alan has tried hard to make a respectable job of it.
Aside from his risible "it wasn't me Guvnor, nobody told me nuffink, a big boy did it and ran away" performances in front of the HCDC.......
 
We don't know, though.

One thing we do know is that "majority opinion" is suppressed and unreported if it does not coincide with the agenda of the progressive liberal elite, particularly their views on how to buy votes - more money for our angelic NHS, etc.

From anecdotal evidence (ie the same and only type that predicted the true Brexit opinion), UK having credible and powerful defence is actually quite important to people.

It would not surprise me at all if an overwhelming majority of the electorate turned out to support large increases in defence spending (and borders, policing, prisons, et al) at the expense of reforming and restricting an out of control welfare commitment.

You might well be right about public support for increased defence capacity. I hope so, but I'd hesitate to use "the true Brexit opnion" as evidence, given that only around 37% of people actively supported it.
 

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Our military is smaller than Morocco's
 
It's about manpowe. Whenever you read some headline announcement that the government is recruiting 1000 police, nurses, miltary or whatever, remember that at any given time in a 24 hour period one third will be on shift, one third asleep and one third either recently finished or getting ready to start again. Then subtract those who are sick, injured, on courses, on holiday, in training etc etc etc.
Suddenly the big announcement looks a little bare.
AIUI you need about 5 bodies to cover one post 24/7 when you allow for all those factors
 
You might well be right about public support for increased defence capacity. I hope so, but I'd hesitate to use "the true Brexit opnion" as evidence, given that only around 37% of people actively supported it.

FFS @javaguzzisti , it's a fact. Not one you like, but a fact, and relevant to the topic. Stop crying like a mong baby because your opinion is in the minority, you plank.
 
FFS @javaguzzisti , it's a fact. Not one you like, but a fact, and relevant to the topic. Stop crying like a mong baby because your opinion is in the minority, you plank.
You've been completely discredited in your stupid opinion so many times it is boring.
Bringing it back up as often as you can makes you close to a crouton.
However if in your sad fantasy a 4 year old has as much political weight as a 40 year old carry on.
And the intelligent will laugh at you.
BTW I was attached to planks, not badged as.
 
Not that I'd disagree with West, but to some extent it's the quality that counts rather than the quantity.
Our Type 45s are the dog's bollox.
Are these the same Type 45’s that can’t operate in half of the World’s seas / oceans because the temperature is too hot? Something to do with generators that can’t cope, overheat, leaving the ship dead in the water? Sounds like the bollox to me, total bollox!
 
Are these the same Type 45’s that can’t operate in half of the World’s seas / oceans because the temperature is too hot? Something to do with generators that can’t cope, overheat, leaving the ship dead in the water? Sounds like the bollox to me, total bollox!
Google Project NAPIER for the (real) background and the solution.

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It's not particularly pertinent to compare our fleet now - and the current scale of threat - to the JMSDF fleet now and the level of threat they faced at the back end of the 80s. While Ivan is coming back, he's a long way from the days of the Red Banner Northern Fleet (not to mention the Baltic and Black sea fleets), whereas the PLAN is a far more dynamic and capable beast.
Surely the Japanese should beware of the Baltic and Northern fleets, not to mention the Black Sea forces, sailing around the world to take them on?
 
You've been completely discredited in your stupid opinion so many times it is boring.
Bringing it back up as often as you can makes you close to a crouton.
However if in your sad fantasy a 4 year old has as much political weight as a 40 year old carry on.
And the intelligent will laugh at you.
BTW I was attached to planks, not badged as.
No l haven't.

It's simple arithmetic, but still clearly far too complicated for you.
 
Surely the Japanese should beware of the Baltic and Northern fleets, not to mention the Black Sea forces, sailing around the world to take them on?
Admiral Rozhestvensky walt!



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