Explain the mentality of RE officers

#4
Thing said:
...Stuff it, lets let your officers run the army and we can all knock off for a sports afternoon...

Cheers.
Thing.
Well now, let's see. The Wedge Heads have got:

Gen O'Donoghue as DLO (so that must make him the Big Cheese of All Logistic personnell then...)

Maj Gen Wall as GOC 1 Div

Maj Gen Bill as GOC UKSC(G)

So it looks as if someone HAS let the RE Officers run the Army - or at least, the bit of it that does most of the fighting.

Cheers.
Fritz
 
#6
FritzTheCat said:
Thing said:
...Stuff it, lets let your officers run the army and we can all knock off for a sports afternoon...

Cheers.
Thing.
Well now, let's see. The Wedge Heads have got:

Gen O'Donoghue as DLO (so that must make him the Big Cheese of All Logistic personnell then...)

Maj Gen Wall as GOC 1 Div

Maj Gen Bill as GOC UKSC(G)

So it looks as if someone HAS let the RE Officers run the Army - or at least, the bit of it that does most of the fighting.

Cheers.
Fritz
I have never seen the words "DLO" and "the bit that does the most fighting" in the same sentence before!
 
#7
Good point, well made. But remember, the RLC are soldiers too - aren't they? Though I don't suppose there's much of a combatty nature about the HQ at Andover....
 
#9
For those not aware of our history(and VCs), they might remember Generals like Gordon,Kitchener and Neame.After a period when The Corps headshed did not push their more able operational officers,things seem to be changing for the better.There seems some hope that Peter Wall may get to the highest ranks of this man's army,in due course.Other Airborne Sappers seem to be doing quite well at the moment.
 
#10
Never really come across many BDOs (who I assume you are mainly referring to) but taking a Corps-wide view, our Officers are generally a down-to-earth and professional bunch, at least when compared to the hoorays and downright mongs that you come across in some capbadges. It may well be the case that if you stick a red wing badge on a young subbies arm he suddenly believes himself to be Superman, I don't know, but that is no reason to tar every RE officer with the same brush - especially as most have nothing to do with EOD.

I can well imagine the rivalry and frustration felt when ATOs and BDOs have to work together but if you promise not to think of the whole RE as wannabe bomb gods, we'll promise not to think of you lot as just a bunch of cooks and blanket-stackers! :wink:
 

napier

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#11
I was under the impression that GOC 1 Div was late KOSB.
 
#12
Peter Wall was Commander 16 Air Assault ,when it started up,and took over 1 Div at the end of the 'war' in Iraq.Probably now moved to higher things.
 
#13
FritzTheCat said:
Thing said:
...Stuff it, lets let your officers run the army and we can all knock off for a sports afternoon...

Cheers.
Thing.
Well now, let's see. The Wedge Heads have got:

Gen O'Donoghue as DLO (so that must make him the Big Cheese of All Logistic personnell then...)

Maj Gen Wall as GOC 1 Div

Maj Gen Bill as GOC UKSC(G)

So it looks as if someone HAS let the RE Officers run the Army - or at least, the bit of it that does most of the fighting.

Cheers.
Fritz
In addition to DLO not being a 'fighting echelon' the same must be said about UKSC(G). They wave goodbye to the fighters at Emden, then they look after the infrastructure left behind like service schools, quarters, LECs etc.

Later

CO
 
#14
FritzTheCat said:
Good point, well made. But remember, the RLC are soldiers too - aren't they? Though I don't suppose there's much of a combatty nature about the HQ at Andover....
There was a certain frisson when the field next to DLO was occupied by dirty, smelly, thieving travellers last week. All retreated behind the wire, much mumbling was heard, with some interesting ideas of what to do with them by the military types. It was left to the screaming kids in the DLO nursery, on the front line (next to occupied field) so to speak to scare them off!!! DLO kids....hard as nails!
 

chimera

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#16
muhandis89 said:
Peter Wall was Commander 16 Air Assault ,when it started up,and took over 1 Div at the end of the 'war' in Iraq.Probably now moved to higher things.
He was actually running the JFHQ at the start of TELIC and became COS of the NCHQ in Qatar. He handed over command of 16 Bde to (then) Brig White-Spunner in 2001. He assumed command of 1 Div in May 03 in Basrah, and handed over as GOC 1 Div in Jan 05. He is currently at PJHQ as DCJO(Ops).

Chances of moving on to higher things....better than average I would say!
 
#17
"CJO has 2 deputies, the Deputy Chief of Joint Operations (Operations), Major General PA Wall CBE, and the Deputy Chief of Joint Operations (Operational Support). In addition, the organisation has a civilian Command Secretary who provides policy, legal, presentational, financial and Civilian human resources advice to CJO."

http://www.northwood.mod.uk/org/organise.htm
 
#18
muhandis89 said:
For those not aware of our history(and VCs), they might remember Generals like Gordon,Kitchener and Neame.After a period when The Corps headshed did not push their more able operational officers,things seem to be changing for the better.There seems some hope that Peter Wall may get to the highest ranks of this man's army,in due course.Other Airborne Sappers seem to be doing quite well at the moment.
Not if the Attorney General succeeds in having him bought to account for "war crimes" in Iraq <said with tongue firmly in cheek>
 

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