Expansion of Warcop Training Area - Controversy

#1
Cumbria villagers oppose army bid to 'grab' common land

Guardian report

MOD wish to expand Warcop training area into land which was previously "common land".

She added: “By stopping the land being common land there is much less much protection for the wider public interest. If this happens people could build roads across it, there could be wind turbines, tank training areas, and that would not require consent from the secretary of state.”

The common land comprises three fells, Murton, Hilton and Warcop and amounts to 1% of all existing common land in England. The land lies within the North Pennines area of outstanding natural beauty on the route of the Pennine Way.


Is this justified? Do we nned more space for a smaller army?
 
#2
The MOD promised back in 2001 that the land would remain on the Register of Commons.

Breaking promises of that magnitude will guarantee ill-feeling, if not outright obstruction.
 
#4
Oh great Lord of the Conspiracy, is it your intention to use this route to remove the common land status to enable another small town to be eventually built???
 
#5
Oh great Lord of the Conspiracy, is it your intention to use this route to remove the common land status to enable another small town to be eventually built???
They'd never do that, as they've promised not to sell the land...

...just like they promised it would stay on the register of Commons.

Oh...
 
#8
One theory being that achieving the removal of the status of common land makes it far more marketable for sale whether that be for private use, grouse moor, or development. Doesn’t seem massively far fetched to me.
 
#9
The MOD promised back in 2001 that the land would remain on the Register of Commons.

Breaking promises of that magnitude will guarantee ill-feeling, if not outright obstruction.
Are they going to take it off the Register of Commons?
 
#11
The MOD promised back in 2001 that the land would remain on the Register of Commons.

Breaking promises of that magnitude will guarantee ill-feeling, if not outright obstruction.
You shouldn't take a placard to a tank fight.
 
#12
Do not trust government departments, ever. Grab common land, put up buildings for training purposes. Close part of the range, flog off the buildings as holiday lets
Tanks and commoners rubbed along for forty odd years. What do infantry with smaller guns need more land for.




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#13
You shouldn't take a placard to a tank fight.
Warcop's a miserable enough place as it is, without turning the locals 100% against anyone associated with the Army.
Bloody pub's got an atmosphere like the one out of "American Werewolf" already.
Plus it's a terrible thing when the MOD fails to maintain its fences & very expensive sheep get slotted...
 

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#14
Worth remembering that the land which is MOD and is used for training areas is some of the best preserved land in the country such as the tank training area at Bovvie.

If you ignore the massive ruts and track trails and POL pollution into the watertable.

It is actually quite well looked after.
 
#15
As much as it pains me to agree with @Oddbod - he's spot on here. We need to remember that we/or our successors, serve as long as our electorate condone it.
 
#16
Could they not just simply annex Appleby? It'd certainly do away with the frigging pikeys turning up and wrecking the place every shagging year.
 
#17
Just a thought but with the army withdrawal from Germany next year and consequent loss of German training areas there would need to be an expansion of UK training areas.
 
#18
Just give them Sanderson Croft ( a miserable estate of crappy 1970’s council houses worthy of Liverpool where half of the defendants in the local paper give as their address.) in Kirby Thore.
They could practice urban warfare there and improve the dump..
In all seriousness though the above post mentioning grouse moor rings a conspiratorial bell. I will ask lord Lonsdale what the crack is on this when I next see him.
 
#20
Just a thought but with the army withdrawal from Germany next year and consequent loss of German training areas there would need to be an expansion of UK training areas.
15 years ago it was difficult to get on to the major trg area. With more range time needed it will be harder to use areas of SPTA, STANTA, SENTA for dry training or large exercises.
 

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