Ex US Marine, Cop Killer pleads breach of Human Rights..

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Not really because I wouldn't give a toss about trying to claim the moral high ground mate. When you see a rabid dog you put it down. Personally as a member of society I would rather introduce a .22 to the back of the guys head then spend millions over the course of his life to keep him breathing.
 
I do not agree with the Death penalty, despite living in a state where it s on the books for 11 Years.
Having said that, the whole point of banging this knob up for his natural is to end a message to people people who would think in the future of carrying a firearm. Namely they should think VERY LONG AND HARD, before they murder a copper, with said gat.
Seems like a fair exchange to me, this vermin's entire natural life, so that the police do not HAVE to be armed at all times.
 
The death penalty deters one criminal at a time...that's good enough for me!
 

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Yamwak

Why did I pull You up?

It seems to me that You are using this policemans death as just another rant against the HRA, without being bothered to get the facts right. Thus prostituting the blokes murder for Your own agenda.

Ian Broadhurst died in a way that was callous, cowardly and brutal - having shot Him in the chest beiber stood over Him and shot Him as the policeman looked up at Him. He does not deserve to be further sullied by someone pretending to care about His murder and going off on one but not caring enough to be accurate about the manner of His death.

If I am wrong about Your motives then please forgive me, but to post in such a manner demeans the bloke and demeans You.
 

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Ancient_Mariner said:
There's more to this than meets the eye.

Whole life sentences are not passed in many European countries. The European Court is currently considering whether whole life tariffs are a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.

gov.uk is panicking because assorted cannibal killers, psychos and Hannibal Lecter types are locked up in ordinary prisons on whole life tariffs 'cos there aren't enough high security mental hospitals here.

interesting! Learn something new every day, and just as I thought with the EU thing. I think there's a cultural violence thing here. Many states in the US have whole life tariffs and the death penalty, but criminals still appear to have no restraint with their resistance to arrest: these FBI/Dept of Justice figures show that on average, a cop homicide per week every year. If the UK had (very) roughly comparable rates, that would work out at one a month - could you imagine that - we'd be under martial law!

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2006/table1.html
 

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yamkwak said:
LJONESY said:
You guys need the death penalty, however with the mess that Labour has created your stuck feeding him for the rest of his natural life while providing decent medical care to keep him going till he is oh say about 85..... What I have not figured out is howthe victims family have not managed to figure out who his cell mates are so they can bribe them to say make his stay fun!!! I would pay 50 quid a month to his cell mates or any other well wishers to make sure he gets the full prison experience.

In some respects I agree with the death penalty, especially for the really nasty bastards, child murderers etc and in other ways I think, no, as a society we should say 'well you may have murdered but we are better than you and so you WILL stay locked up in a sh1tty little cell for the rest of your natural' ..Food for thought?


My bold.

It wouldnt be so bad if he was locked up in a sh1tty little cell mate, but in reality within most UK prisons, the cells are more like a fcking hotel room.

Sky TV, a Playstation console, a learning centre, porn mags, a gym, snooker and pool, 5 a side football, the list goes on............ not to mention decent scoff everyday and all at our expense. It doesnt exactly make prison a hardship!!!

Personally I say slot the cnut.
 

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Sven said:
Yamwak

Why did I pull You up?

It seems to me that You are using this policemans death as just another rant against the HRA, without being bothered to get the facts right. Thus prostituting the blokes murder for Your own agenda.

Ian Broadhurst died in a way that was callous, cowardly and brutal - having shot Him in the chest beiber stood over Him and shot Him as the policeman looked up at Him. He does not deserve to be further sullied by someone pretending to care about His murder and going off on one but not caring enough to be accurate about the manner of His death.

If I am wrong about Your motives then please forgive me, but to post in such a manner demeans the bloke and demeans You.

Ah nice one Sven, presumptions, the mother of all c0ck ups I do believe.!! Were do you get off presuming I am USING this cops death as an agenda for having a 'go' at HR legislation? FFS...I do the same job as that officer, so actually I do care when a cop gets murdered. My point in posting this thread is to highlight the abuse of HR laws by the scummy lawyers all to willing to get their scum bag clients out on any technicality. For your info a lot of HR law I actually agree with, however I dont agree with it being twisted by lawyers to the favour of people who dont deserve the respect afforded to decent members of the public, by the very nature of their heinous crimes.
At least I have the balls to admit I made a minor mistake, but I still stand by the fact that he shot the officer in the head.
Then again you are a bleeding heart liberal are you not. Tell you what when the next murderer gets out on licence would you like it if he moved into your street? I await your reply......
 
Ancient_Mariner said:
There's more to this than meets the eye.

Whole life sentences are not passed in many European countries. The European Court is currently considering whether whole life tariffs are a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.
gov.uk is panicking because assorted cannibal killers, psychos and Hannibal Lecter types are locked up in ordinary prisons on whole life tariffs 'cos there aren't enough high security mental hospitals here. If the Eurotw@ts rule that they must be released after, say, 25 or 30 years, many of them will almost certainly kill again as soon as they are out.

I suspect Bieber's lawyers are using this as some sort of test case. After all, why not? It's our money that's paying them to test the waters.

Hence we need to GTF out of EU now. :x
 

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Spenny said:
yamkwak said:
LJONESY said:
You guys need the death penalty, however with the mess that Labour has created your stuck feeding him for the rest of his natural life while providing decent medical care to keep him going till he is oh say about 85..... What I have not figured out is howthe victims family have not managed to figure out who his cell mates are so they can bribe them to say make his stay fun!!! I would pay 50 quid a month to his cell mates or any other well wishers to make sure he gets the full prison experience.

In some respects I agree with the death penalty, especially for the really nasty bastards, child murderers etc and in other ways I think, no, as a society we should say 'well you may have murdered but we are better than you and so you WILL stay locked up in a sh1tty little cell for the rest of your natural' ..Food for thought?

My bold.

It wouldnt be so bad if he was locked up in a sh1tty little cell mate, but in reality within most UK prisons, the cells are more like a fcking hotel room.

Sky TV, a Playstation console, a learning centre, porn mags, a gym, snooker and pool, 5 a side football, the list goes on............ not to mention decent scoff everyday and all at our expense. It doesnt exactly make prison a hardship!!!

Personally I say slot the cnut.

Dont believe all you read in the papers mate, I could take you to our local prison and the second you walk through the door the smell makes you wanna puke there and then..No sh1t.
I'm not saying prison is as hard as I think it should be, but to be honest the vast majority of prisons are not as cushy as the papers make out. Would you want your food handled, cooked and served by some screaming smack head who hasn't had a shower for a week? Not for me thanks.... :puker:
 
My response to reading articles like this is to look at it from the lawyer's point of view. The lawyer will be thinking not about the facts of the case or the administration of justice, but what he can get out of it*.

So I checked out Andrew Trollope QC and discovered that he has form. He was the fifth highest earner of criminal legal aid fees in 2005/6, taking home £889,000 of our taxes in that year alone. See page 4 at the link below:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/docs/highest-paid-barrister.pdf

And his record goes back at least nine years - in 96/97 he was the highest earner of fees from legal aid - top of the pile - so maybe he wants his title back.

*Yes, when it comes to lawyers I am a total cynic.
 
LISpace said:
My response to reading articles like this is to look at it from the lawyer's point of view. The lawyer will be thinking not about the facts of the case or the administration of justice, but what he can get out of it*.

So I checked out Andrew Trollope QC and discovered that he has form. He was the fifth highest earner of criminal legal aid fees in 2005/6, taking home £889,000 of our taxes in that year alone. See page 4 at the link below:

http://www.justice.gov.uk/docs/highest-paid-barrister.pdf

And his record goes back at least nine years - in 96/97 he was the highest earner of fees from legal aid - top of the pile - so maybe he wants his title back.

*Yes, when it comes to lawyers I am a total cynic.

Why am I not surprised by this? He wasn't by any chance the learned friend who took the case of a man shot by the police a few years ago.

Barrister attempted to sue for gunshot wounds, psychological trauma and, wait for it, cost of clothing damaged by numerous 9mm holes. Failed to consider the fact that the shot scrote was blagging a bank at the time and was pointing a sawn off at the head of a bank clerk when the police opened fire.

I thought the legalisation of 'no win no fee' deals was supposed to end legal aid for civil cases. Of course, that would have severely impacted the income of a certain Ms Cherie Booth QC and so could never have been allowed.

Come the revolution, legal aid needs to go up against the wall along with incapacity benefit, the Human Rights Act, the Arts Council for England and Sven.
 
yamkwak said:
David Bieber the ex US Marine who shot and killed a Police officer in the back of the head pleads breach of Human Rights!!!!!!!!FFS:

http://www.spenboroughguardian.co.uk/news/Cop-killer-David-Biebers-human.4021317.jp

Cop killer David Bieber's human rights "were breached by life sentence"


David Bieber's victim, Pc Ian Broadhurst

« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryADVERTISEMENTTHE man who killed a Birkenshaw policeman claims his human rights were breached by his 'life means life' prison sentence, the Court of Appeal has been told.
David Bieber's lawyers argued that the 42-year-old former US Marine's whole life term contravened his right not to be subjected to 'cruel or unusual punishment'.

Bieber was found guilty of shooting Pc Ian Broadhurst, a 34-year-old traffic officer, at point blank range in Oakwood, Leeds, on Boxing Day, 2003.

The police officer's widow condemned Bieber's challenge to his sentence.

Elisia Broadhurst said: "David Bieber did not think about Ian's human rights when he murdered him; he didn't think about my human rights and he didn't think about Ian's family's.

"He made a choice that day and I think the sentence he received was a fair one.

"I just really hope the justice system will not let me down and will not let Ian down."

At the time of Bieber's conviction, he was one of only 25 people to have received a whole life term in England and Wales.

Bieber watched and listened via videolink from prison on Tuesday, as Andrew Trollope, QC, argued that his sentence was too long, given the facts of the case.
Mr Trollope told the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, that a term of around 30 years would have been sufficient.

Bieber was also found guilty of the attempted murders of the Garforth-based Pc Broadhurst's colleagues, Pcs Neil Roper and James Banks, during the incident.

Mr Justice Moses, the judge in Bieber's trial, warned him then that he would never be released from jail.

The Court of Appeal rejected an appeal against his convictions in 2006, saying evidence against him was 'overwhelming'.

Tuesday's hearing was adjourned for further argument at a later date.


The full article contains 310 words and appears in n/a newspaper.

My BOLD, what the facts that whilst sat in the rear of the Police car he produced a handgun and calmly and coldly shot the officer in the back of the head.........Sure lets release him, shame we didn't ship him back to US, bet they wouldn't be so liberal thinking there about his sentence....

WTF were Armed Response thinking when they took the b@stard alive in the first place? He was arrested in a hotel room, IIRC, so no inconvient witnessess. CO19 or whatever unit actually lifted the b@stard should have put a couple of rounds in his head, then claimed he "Made a sudden, aggressive movement...it was my HONEST BELIEF that my life was in danger etc..." :twisted:

Think about it: double tap to the head, no expensive trial/incarceration and the rest of the scum out there get the message that slotting a police officer can seriously damage your health...
 
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I agree with Werewoldf bullets are cheaper than a lifetime prison stay, just think of the money you could spend on say health care, education, the military.... the list is endless..
 
I feel sorry for the officers family but must question the whole life sentence, not that he got one but more over most others don't, this was a nasty murder but so is the guy that stabs a young man to death in the street and gets 10-15 years murder is murder and without a solid punishment tariff we will always leave ourselves open to appeal on some crap grounds.

For the treatment of the guy in jail he killed a cop so will be seen as a hero by his peers, sh1te but a fact of life.

And then we have the death sentence question look west to the good old US of A and what a disaster that is' 20 years on death row and the added cost that brings, yes bring back hanging but we must ensure that it is done properly and not just introducing another group of prisoners held on death row for years and years awaiting appeal after appeal, they are much more dangerous than lifers as they have nothing to loose.

PC Ian Broadhurst rest in peace sir and i do hope the scum gets his just deserts.
 

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yamkwak said:
Spenny said:
yamkwak said:
LJONESY said:
You guys need the death penalty, however with the mess that Labour has created your stuck feeding him for the rest of his natural life while providing decent medical care to keep him going till he is oh say about 85..... What I have not figured out is howthe victims family have not managed to figure out who his cell mates are so they can bribe them to say make his stay fun!!! I would pay 50 quid a month to his cell mates or any other well wishers to make sure he gets the full prison experience.

In some respects I agree with the death penalty, especially for the really nasty bastards, child murderers etc and in other ways I think, no, as a society we should say 'well you may have murdered but we are better than you and so you WILL stay locked up in a sh1tty little cell for the rest of your natural' ..Food for thought?

My bold.

It wouldnt be so bad if he was locked up in a sh1tty little cell mate, but in reality within most UK prisons, the cells are more like a fcking hotel room.

Sky TV, a Playstation console, a learning centre, porn mags, a gym, snooker and pool, 5 a side football, the list goes on............ not to mention decent scoff everyday and all at our expense. It doesnt exactly make prison a hardship!!!

Personally I say slot the cnut.

Dont believe all you read in the papers mate, I could take you to our local prison and the second you walk through the door the smell makes you wanna puke there and then..No sh1t.
I'm not saying prison is as hard as I think it should be, but to be honest the vast majority of prisons are not as cushy as the papers make out. Would you want your food handled, cooked and served by some screaming smack head who hasn't had a shower for a week? Not for me thanks.... :puker:


Roger that mate - I was just speaking from my limited exposure to a prison in Scotland (as a visitor - not a prisoner). It genuinely is like how Ive described, although Im sure the vast majority of prisons are not.

Either way as someone else on this thread has stated, a couple of 9mm rounds to the head is a lot cheaper than us paying for them to have a cushy life in prison and that saved money can be used to pay for the important things like NHS, Schools, Defence etc.

The punishment should fit the crime - ENDEX. That would soon cause a mahoosive drop in crime rate figures UK wide!!
 
Personally I do not think whole life tarriffs OR death penalties are helpful for the simple reason that, if I had already commited one crime that I knew carried a death sentence, I would have no incentive not to kill again simply to avoid being caught.

That said, I do think there should be harsher sentencing in general for murderers and other violent criminals. There is no way anyone should be sentenced to less than 15 years (actual time served) for a murder unless there was some severe provocation or other significant mitigating circumstances.
 
Death penalty is the only method to prevent recitivism among violent offenders that has been found to work so far... this assclown needs a bullet, no doubt about it.
 
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