Ex UKSF Security expert faces child porn charges

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  1. Sounds like walting up the CV, "In direct support of the SAS" could be armourer, could be chef or could mean working in the NAAFI, it's open to interpretation a bit.

    But it doesn't sound like he was UKSF.

    He's done rather well for himself though, usually big timing nonces just become cadet AIs.
     
  2. Found this from a poster on the SOCNET forum.

    Then this after word of the child porn story by another poster:

    These too and they smell to me due to this guy's self-promotion. Daniel Clayton: Playing Cat and Mouse
    http://diligencellp.com/docs/diligence_article.pdf Note the second article refers to him as a "decorated combat veteran"

    Most real special forces operators in my experience are pretty quiet about their own exploits--except for a few SEAL officers I have served with on joint staffs.
     
  3. is the picture of the right guy?

    doesn't say but says cv or company bio correct.
     
  4. Of course it is vouched for by an unknown poster-it would not be the first time if it was false. The guy's young age is what also troubles me--I defer to my British cousins on that but it seems far-fetched that he would have been a sergeant on leaving and with all the op experience he professes. It is also a bit artful in the way he phrases his service in relationship to the SAS as it seemed contrived to add that bit beyond just saying he was UKSF.
     
  5. His background is at best suspect. I think its unbelieveable. He would have only been 22 in 2004.
    I really doubt this mans service claims are completely accurate but as there are plenty of young guys about who have served in a number of campaigns/ops, he may have got about a bit.

    Its the SAS "direct support" affiliation claim that sounds really out of whack. Also the Sgt claim. As we know, some trades call for a certain rank but still unlikely. Could he have been an Int Corps guy with language skills? Just a thought and I'm sure someone will set me straight on that...

    As for the charges, well he's been nicked by an undercover copper who he offered child porn. Not too bright eh? Says it all really.
     
  6. udipur

    udipur LE Book Reviewer

    There are three things that stand out:

    1. He left in 2004 and called his firm Diligence upon founding in 2005 when there was an established firm of that name operating in Iraq with some large contracts.
    2. He claims to have 12 years experience around the world yet is 28 so he must have fudged his operational tour eligibility dates.
    3. He says he has an MBA which takes a bit of time out of normal life so he can't have been doing much work then.

    Bit of a bluffer.

    However, the scorn given him on Arrse is going to pale into insignificance if he is found guilty and sent to the clink - he'll need SF to protect him...
     
  7. Well, I don't know either of them, but why should I (with my extensive SF experience :-D ).

    However, a London Gazette search on "Hawthorne" and "Col(onel)" for 1999 to 2001 only gets you a TA RE Maj, initials JC. Ditto if you assume Acting Lt Col and search on Maj(or). You would assume his retirement would have been Gazetted?

    Widening it a little and giving him 20 years for his promotion from Major to Lt Col, you get 6 returns for "Hawthorne" - some more on the sapper, some-one else being made a Brother of the Order of St John etc, but nothing on an 'R' or 'Richard' Hawthorne. Not even a mention. Proof? Nah. Suspicious, I certainly think so.

    And if the putative Colonel is dodgy, that does have some implications for the reliability of his colleague's CV.
     
  8. He was probably a driver at the JWS!
     
  9. ... not so sure about that Cuddles.
    sounds more like a cook ^_~
     
  10. Aye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
  11. If he joined at 16 in 1997 he would have not been deployable until 18yrs old, therefore Regt Duty starts in 98 or 99. Inf internal JNCO cadre minimum time generally 6 - 12 months takes us in to 2000 but more likely 2001.

    1 -2 years as LCpl and then Jnr Brecon and we are already in 2002 or 2003 and then Sgt in a year. Whilst also doing 6 months in Iraq and 6 months in AFG not to mention a years worth of beat up and PDT.

    Not enough time to have done course, gained experienced and tours oh and that small matter of a 6 month SF selection course and continuation training.
     
  12. I thought not-it amazes me that these guys can set up a "security" training company based likely on their exploits with paintball and airsoft and people then attend paying big bucks without vetting the company at all. I mean one read of his CV set off my phony alert. I guess that means a lot of the people attending the courses are not much different form the "instructors."
     
  13. Whn I was a teenager my peerrs who were up in court ( None of them involving sexual offences I should add ) suddenly had the urge to join the army/air force/royal navy even though this was entirely news to me and everyone else except the court . You'd have the defence lawyer claiming if the accused recieved a custodial sentence there's no way they'd be able to embark on their obession with a military career . Strangely after the court case regardless of the outcome they'd never appear in the local newspaper who'd always show a photo of local lads from the passing out parade . In other words the " military career obession " was total BS

    Maybe there's a case nowadays of people turning up in court exaggerating or inventing a long and distinguished military that says " Hey this guy has served his country so proudly , he's not really a bad bloke " Of course I've never served with the SAS so can't comment but some people up in court could make any claim no matter how ridiculous . People downloading children getting raped aren't known for their popularity behind bars