ex-Special Forces soldier found innocent of assault of Talib prisoner

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A paratrooper who was dragged through the military courts for hitting a Taliban suspect – in a case that cost more than £300,000 – was finally cleared yesterday.

A judge threw out the Army’s case after describing the evidence against the soldier as ‘weak and tenuous’.

IIRC the original charge was brought by female RMP corporal who wasn't even in the tent when the Talib tried to escape:

Betrayal of a war hero: Why did the Army pursue Para through the courts for two years at a cost of £300,000... just for stopping a Taliban suspect fleeing? | Mail Online
 
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It's a pity it took so long before someone realised that the charges against him where a joke, another good bloke leaves the army with a bitter taste.
 
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Spunking 300K on trying to find out whether this lad rightly or wrongly bruised the lip of a suspected insurgent seems very excessive. It strikes as utter madness when you consider the supposed “victim” himself never had any complaint.

The only thing criminal about all this is that there was no one within the RMP chain with a firm enough grasp on reality to swiftly stick this accusation where it belonged....in the gash bag.
 
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The only thing criminal about all this is that there was no one within the RMP chain with a firm enough grasp on reality to swiftly stick this accusation where it belonged....in the gash bag.
What, and instead end up on the front page of the Mail under the headline 'Is This Man Covering Up Racist War Crimes?' Moral courage is all very well in the abstract, but when it comes to it, people see a shit sandwich and pass it along rather than biting in to it.
 
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What, and instead end up on the front page of the Mail under the headline 'Is This Man Covering Up Racist War Crimes?' Moral courage is all very well in the abstract, but when it comes to it, people see a shit sandwich and pass it along rather than biting in to it.
On the flip side allowing an investigation of something so serious go ahead based on rumour or hearsay, I'm sure those involved careers won't have suffered as the man in questions did?
 
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On the flip side allowing an investigation of something so serious go ahead based on rumour or hearsay, I'm sure those involved careers won't have suffered as the man in questions did?
Their careers are not important. What's far more important is the impact that something like this has on morale and the actions that soldiers are willing to take. It's important that actions is taken and, despite my previous post, I don't fault the RMP bird for reporting it. However, as others have mentioned, somebody should have looked at this in context and kicked it into the long grass. It's not as thought he cut his ears off or beat him senseless.
 
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Its comments like that, that make you appear simple minded.
1) the Corporal in question was trying to save lives so he slapped a terrorist around. No biggie
2) the rmp lcpl job is to report incidents of this kind no matter how small or trivial and looking the other way only jepodises the rmp
3) the ARMY is the problem here neither the corporal or lcpl did anything wrong ,but it was the army bigwigs that decided to drag the corporal through the courts based on a limp wristed report.

But hey.. you know better, you simpleton
 

daywalker

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Its comments like that, that make you appear simple minded.
1) the Corporal in question was trying to save lives so he slapped a terrorist around. No biggie
2) the rmp lcpl job is to report incidents of this kind no matter how small or trivial and looking the other way only jepodises the rmp
3) the ARMY is the problem here neither the corporal or lcpl did anything wrong ,but it was the army bigwigs that decided to drag the corporal through the courts based on a limp wristed report.

But hey.. you know better, you simpleton
And your experience in the military is what exactly....?
 
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Thats sort of her job.
L/cpls shouldnt be making that sort of decision.
Although somebody higher up the chain of command should have closed it down a lot sooner.
 
#16
I have to agree that there is a process in place, and that must be followed. It appears it was followed correctly.

However, in all processes there are check points. These allow a process to be stopped or an alternate route to be taken.

Soooo..as I see it...it goes as follows:

Slap..."Was Terry slapped, yes/no?"...YES...."Was Terry trying to escape/acting in a threatening manner, Yes/No?"....Yes...."Did the Corporal inflict serious injury to Terry, Yes/No?"....No....."Did anyone see the incident and did Terry make a complaint, Yes/No?".......No....."Should further action be taken, Yes/No?".....Of course ****ing not!
 
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Its comments like that, that make you appear simple minded.
1) the Corporal in question was trying to save lives so he slapped a terrorist around. No biggie
2) the rmp lcpl job is to report incidents of this kind no matter how small or trivial and looking the other way only jepodises the rmp
3) the ARMY is the problem here neither the corporal or lcpl did anything wrong ,but it was the army bigwigs that decided to drag the corporal through the courts based on a limp wristed report.

But hey.. you know better, you simpleton
A quick look through your previous posts reveals that you want to join the RMP because you failed to join the Royal Marines. That's why people dislike the RMP.
 
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The only thing criminal about all this is that there was no one within the RMP chain with a firm enough grasp on reality to swiftly stick this accusation where it belonged....in the gash bag.
There more than likely was, but in the shadow of Baha Moussa and the others, the decision would have been with the Army Legal Services (which is does in all cases anyway). It should have been shit canned, but the minute that stuff like this goes where it should be, you can bet your bottom dollar that the 'victim' will be up for a bit of compo a year or so later, after any credible witnesses were conveniently no longer available, with the support of the Phil Shiner's of the world who'd be demanding enquiries into why their client's case wasn't investigated and using that fact to support his campaign to wreck the military justice system. Just look at what he's managed to do so far? It is indeed a very sad case for the bloke involved but on the wider picture, the RMP were damned if they did investigate this and damned if they didn't.

A simple way to stop this sort of scenario however, would be if squaddies would stop kicking prisoners to death and strapping others to the fronts of forklift trucks. If they didn't resort to that sort of uneccessary and wanton violence then this sort of crap would be forgotten about long ago.
 

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