Ex Soldier - World owes me a living

#1
I left the army ten years ago and after lots of hard graft run my own business employing 20 people. I recently employed an ex soldier who's view was.' I deserve a job, council house and respect' because 'I did my bit' - with reference to active service. Sadly along with his arrogance he was lazy so I sacked him. Views please as I am of the view the world owes us nothing - yes we did our bit , we got paid, had a laugh and knew the risks when we joined. Respect yes !!! the rest no!!!
 
#2
Scnellimbiss said:
I left the army ten years ago and after lots of hard graft run my own business employing 20 people. I recently employed an ex soldier who's view was.' I deserve a job, council house and respect' because 'I did my bit' - with reference to active service. Sadly along with his arrogance he was lazy so I sacked him. Views please as I am of the view the world owes us nothing - yes we did our bit , we got paid, had a laugh and knew the risks when we joined. Respect yes !!! the rest no!!!
A very good attitude my man, I agree entirely!
 
#3
Fair comment, I suppose. There are always tossers about. Just make sure you give the next one along a chance to prove that he is different.
 
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#4
Sacking a bloke..........and just before Christmas as well?

Joking aside, did you never think about actual spelling it out to him before giving him the spanish archer or was he on his last chances?

My wife got shot of someone ethe other day as well. I've been giving her sh*t ever since....Mrs Sugar!
 
#5
Sorry you employ people who can advance your company; it’s hard but the truth, never employ through sympathy it doesn’t work. It’s not pleasant but unfortunately the way of the world we live in.
 
#6
Darwin's theory of evolution prevails in the workplace as it has always done. Those who forget that lesson do so at their peril. It is difficult enough as it is to run a small business with low profit-margins and just keeping your head above water. There is no room for sentiment or for carrying passengers when you are either trying to expand or trying to stay afloat.

If you know in your heart you have made the right decision, then I would suggest that you have made the right decision.

Best of luck and I hope your business thrives.
 
#8
Fair one, Its a hard knock life out in the real world i spent 26 years there and i can tell you it aint the greatest of places, I'm staying in here where its great :)lol
 
#10
Respect... Yes
Council house... Yes probably. The Army needs to sharpen up on getting soldiers to prepare for the next life.
Job... A man deserves a job he can do, but not one he can't. Ego can be a problem with some Ex's but this is normally compensated by extreme effort and the will to succeed. Shame in this case.

Be aware... Leaving 'ain't easy. Prepare yourselves fellas.
 
#11
If he is still fit and of sound mind maybe a council house but not a living
just a fair chance .
 
#12
Totally agree with the those thoughts posted here - unfortunately there are a few ex service personel who tend to wear there career on their sleeve, fortunately they are the exemption and not the norm. I work with a fair few ex service bods and can say i have only met 1 that would fit this criteria, he ended up fliting/pushed from job to job and could never settle down, never blamed himself..... I have been in back in the real world for nearly 15 years after a 15 year stint and it is fcukin hard, don't ever think it isn't for those of you who are joining the happy throng - what you did when in the 'machine' means nothing to most civvies and if your expecting respect then i hope the weather is nice on your planet because you're better off staying there. Council house!?!?!? Dream on - and remember the stock that they have (if you are lucky enough to be offered one) will be those that the chavs dont want anyway but that whing is for another forum/thread . . . .

If schnellimbiss couldnt give this guy a job because he had an attitude and crap personal standards then this guys outlook must be poor and its not your fault - dont feel guilty mate, you gave the guy a chance and he blew it - you're running a business at the end of day and not a charity!

As someone once said 'Life is what you make it' and i find this to be true - 'nuff said.

Oh, Happy Christmas too . . .(Bah humbug)
 
#13
And I bet he was one of them lazy b*stards that you get in the Army too. The sort who bigs it up to crows about how bad bosnia was in '95 yet refuses to do stag or is doing something else when there is a trench to be dug or he is on the biff when a tour comes around and gives it "Ive done it all before anyway". Sure we all know the sort and I bet the Army and the decent hard working lads will be glad to see the back of him just like yourself.
 
#14
Biscuits_AB said:
Sacking a bloke..........and just before Christmas as well?

Joking aside, did you never think about actual spelling it out to him before giving him the spanish archer or was he on his last chances?

My wife got shot of someone ethe other day as well. I've been giving her sh*t ever since....Mrs Sugar!
No I sacked him a few months ago - and yes gave him plenty of warnings - more so because he had done his bit
 
#15
Agree with all of the sentiments so far, and it's a real shame when the "odd one or two" show up in civvy strasse with this kind of view.

On the flipside though, I have previously employed a number of ex-forces personnel, and have only had this type of problem once, about five years ago. What I found interesting was the different experiences they had all had as part of their resettlement. It certainly highlighted that the one with the "owes me a living" attitude, appeared to have had a less than structured resettlement and I'm sure that this played its part in his view on life.
 
#16
Hmmmm, from my experience over the past 13 months, I find that there is mutal respect from other ex-soldiers, or ex-soldiers wives, parents of soldiers and ex-pad brats.

Although I find most employers are impressed with the standard of work they get from me (I work for an agency during my time off at uni, so I work in quite a few different places). Although I don't think they ever make a connection between that and my previous services (which normally comes out when people ask about my tattoos).
 
#18
not commenting on what we should or shouldn't expect when our time is done.

for those of you who have been in 2 minutes, and want out, re-read this forum, as it isn't always greener.(no pun intended)

it seems in the real world you have to actually do some work to earn some brass,and still take some siht, unlike nanny army with its agai 67 bollox.

anyway enough ranting and raving, happy X-Mas to all, especialy those on ops. have a quiet one out there, wherever it may be
 
#20
As an employer of men I can confirm the observations that Amazing_Lobster and A brighter2006 have made.

I found that of the ex services I employed doing the exact same job I had a retention rate of about 30%.
Of the ten I took on after an advertisement in Soldier magazine I found that the three best were from the RLC, with a matelot not far behind. One a lance jack (22 years old)the other a WO2 and the matelot being a 22yr CPO. All three motivated, well turned out, punctual, and guaranteed to not have a sense of humour failure when the going got tough. I enjoyed taking these guys on jobs and their general work ethic and sick sense of humour saw me through a few teddy throwing sessions of my own.

On the other hand the remaining 80% had to be spoon fed and watched like a hawk. They were from a mixture of corps and regiments with the odd crab thrown in for good measure and were the constant reason for the thrown teddies.

They generally didn't last long and were not mourned on their leaving but that is not to say that they were any different than the non military types I employed. The retention here was closer to 70% but that was more to do with the fact that these were hand picked by current staff, being either mates, family, or already in the business. They were generally not as easy to work with when the going got tough as they really hadn't experienced hard work and long hours before the came to work for me.

Bottom line is, I like the rest of the business world would rather have switched on good lads and lasses no matter where the came from. As a rule my staff are a good mixture of characters but you are never going to please everyone all of the time. No one owes me a living as I have chosen my path and worked hard to get here. If anything I owe some of my employees a big pay rise!!!

But don't fricking tell them I said that...........

You ain't seen me RIGHT!
 

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