Ex-soldier kills family

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Trip_Wire, Jan 29, 2007.

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  1. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

  2. napier

    napier LE Moderator Reviewer

    And of course all gun crime in the US of A is committed with legally owned firearms...
  3. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    No, they are not; however, we don't have the 'strict' gun laws that the UK has. I have read so many comments on ARRSE, about our lack of such laws, etc. that I thought this was a good time to point out that no matter how strict or how many laws one puts in place, people will get and use them.

    Also, the use of a silencer is VERY uncommon in the USA. They are banned in most States and the ones that allow them, require a special federal tax stamp or fee. Of course, sawed off shotguns are also banned by Federal Law in the USA. (less then 18" BBRL.)
  4. BiscuitsAB

    BiscuitsAB LE Moderator

    What is it the marines say? Overcome, improvise and adapt! theres your answer. If you really want one you'll be able to find one!
  5. Come on guys, I find the previous posts in this thread both flippant and disingenuous given the emerging facts, let’s please try to remember that four people have died here and other lives have been touched and wrecked by this incident.

    So far, there is some evidence to suggest that the shooter, an ex-solider who has served in Bosnia, Northern Ireland and the Gulf has been increasingly suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) and that his aunt was desperately seeking medical assistance for him.

    It has been claimed however that the shooter was not suffering from Gulf War Syndrome.

    There is also some evidence to suggest that the former soldier with a previously exemplary record had turned to the use of cannabis and that this has been a factor, it is clinically proven that habitual daily use of the drug, despite efforts to suppress the reality, results in psychological problems leading to Paranoia and Schizophrenia.

    The issue of strict UK gun laws are not an issue in this matter. The patent fact is that this former soldier managed to smuggle these weapons home from one or more of the operational theatres he’s been deployed on, at least that is the inference at the moment.

    This situation is probably far more prevalent amongst US military personnel than it is in the UK anyway.

    Surely the issues that we ought to be debating in relation to this deeply sad matter should focus on the evidence that the aunt was desperately seeking relevant psychological counselling and assistance for the former soldier and the evident desperate lack of such services.

    The culture surrounding psychological problems for serving and former personnel and the closure of the military psychological medical wings that were opened with great fanfare in 1990/1991.

    The lack of even general care and housing facilities for veterans who often terminate their service and leave to be swallowed up in the open sewer of society without any effort to discharge a duty of care toward them.

    What effort is made to determine the medical or psychological condition of the individual and whether termination takes place because they are suffering in silence?

    What effort is made to determine that the soldier terminating their service will be adequately housed and have sufficient financial advice and funding available to them to make the transitional jump?

    It is pathetic and tragic that this kind of situation can occur in the 21st Century when current conflicts are so horrendous and vicious that they are draining the mental resources of some who serve their country, the duty of care prevails beyond the decision of the soldier to terminate their service.

    Qualitive psychological and medical care without fear of ridicule and humiliation should be in place for those in service, the duty of care should extend to those seeking to terminate to ensure that they are not terminating whilst suffering in silence and that they are adequately prepared for the transition, have adequate housing arrangements in place and have reasonable financial means.

    If they are suffering psychologically, then they should not be able to terminate and just walk away, they should be transferred into the care of an appropriate caring agency – but that’s where the problem becomes highlighted is it not?

    Besides the overstretched and overwhelmed organisation Combat Stress, what else and who else is there?

    Deeply sad to hear of this case, sad for those who perished and sad for the deeply disturbed individual!
  6. Arandale, I read the opening paragraph of your post with a 'here we go again, another bleeding heart' groan. By the end, however, I found myself nodding vigorously. Good post.

  7. Perhaps this answers some of the questions from the singapore thread about why drugs shouldn't be legalised.

    Cannibis use along with PTSD created one seriously f**ked up individual.
  8. Arandale - Good and valid points - well presented!
  9. PTSD and alcohol also creates the same Mark, my dad was testament to that.

    I saw the report on the news and an expert who apparently advises the MOD said that not all people having served tours and go off the rails suffer from PTSD...wonder where he draws the line?

    He was also drawn into the argument for seperate military hospitals and claimed that many ex-service personnel don't want specialised care they want to 'reclaim their civilian lives'.

    If he's the one advising the MOD what chance have we got?!
  10. The BBC R4 news implied that he was 'authorised' to bring the the weapon back to the UK i.e. every squaddie who has been somewhere nasty will be tooled up with the blessing of theMOD. Absolute pish. We should be greiving for a poor bugger who went bonkers and killed family members (not uncommon - I believe that the most likely victims of a madman are his nearest and dearest) but the meeja are spinning this on the ex-soldier track like you wouldn't believe. Having some experience of the truly barking, I can say that it is immaterial to think that the method they use if and when they do kick off is of significance. What is material in this case is that he went progressively wibble, enhanced by drug use, and finally flipped. Cannabis a 'safe' drug? I think not, not when used by those with the seeds of madness already implanted.

    I hope the enquiry started by his local PCT will bear fruit, but I also sincerely hope that the witvh hunt brewing in the media who home in on the keywords 'gun' and 'ex-forces' will be replaced with cooler heads. I even heard it being described as an 'execution' by some rentabimbo on the radio news earlier. FFS. And as for his 'nail bomb'.... I could brew up something much nastier with a quick trip to B&Q and yet the demonisation process continues.

    RIP to the unfortunate victims, best wishes to the poor fecker who was driven to 'flip' and bad cess to the meeja vultures who wouldn't even have published this if it had been a chartered accountant who went postal with a golf club.
  11. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

  12. Great post Arandale.

    As for the media's portrayal focusing on the ex-soldier angle, what chance a journalist getting really down and dirty and exposing the NHS / MOD systems in place that appear to have failed this poor man terribly?
  13. Absolutely none mate, the media will 'milk' the initial shock elements from this story to seel their papers or plug their stations and then move on to the next bit of bad news.

    How's that for exposing the degredation of our society?

    The media does possess clout and power, we all know that, but do they exercise that power responsibly? They take the initial story and run with it without the slightest hint of any collective responsibility to demand changes exposed as being neceesary from the storyline.

    The media wonder why they have no respect or standing within the military and ex-military community - here's one example probably why!

    They have the power to expose the absence of proper appropriate psychiatric and clinical care for serving and former military personnel, they have the power to expose the helpless and hopeless situation that is faced by so many who seek descent dignified services they need - but they lack to will and the duty of collective responsibility.

    That makes them parasites in my perception, they are like vultures who feed off the remains of the fallen before moving on to the next victim of some circumstance to pick the bones white!