Ex serviceman needs help

#1
Ok lets start fom the begining,

I joined in 2003 as Radio system operator in the Royal signals.

Won award in basic for best PT,
Won top student award on my RSBR course,
Posted to 216 signal sqn for my first tour,
Won award for corp saam and best shot in squadron and 2nd best junior in corp class B.
So all in all without blowing my own trumpet a good solider.

Whilst at 216 my daughter was born very ill, I was attached to my local careers center for the final 10 months of my service due to come out on compassionate grounds for one year to help care for my child.
Went back to my unit to get discharged and got CDT when I arrived, Cannibis was found in my system and I was asked did I wish to go to rehab or continue with my discharge. Of course I chose discharge as it was imminet anyway. My daughter is great now and I have tried to re-enlist but have been told no due to the fact I was SNLR.

I am fully aware of the Army's policy and zero tollorence on drug's, however I was left at home for ten month's the place I so longed to get away from because of this reason. Whilst at the recruitment center I was commended for my outstanding behaviour and enthusiasum, this was reflected in my CR. Now what I did was wrong but given the fact I was at home so long out of my comfort zone and drunk surley count's for somthing.

I took a drug once and would never do it again, please advise on what I can do to appeal ? I'm currently working as a project manager on 25K per year with company car and would still pack it in tomorrow to return to the army as a private.

There is nothing I want to do more than solider for my country, if this will never be then it's looking like the forien legion :).

Thanks and kind regards,

Cameron

Please HELP !
 
#2
cameron25180267 said:
I am fully aware of the Army's policy and zero tollorence on drug's, however I was left at home for ten month's !
If you have been given the spanish archer, as far as I am aware there is no appeal. You took drugs, got caught, end of. However you want to justify it to yourself is irrelevant
 
#4
cameron25180267 said:
I am fully aware of the Army's policy and zero tollorence on drug's
You knew Army policy is to discharge drug takers as SNLR.

You took drugs and were caught.

And you are suprised by this - why?

Don't give me any of that pressures of home crap either, I see dozens of good young men and women, every day, under different kinds of pressure and they don't need drugs. You blew it.

Best of luck in the Foreign Legion.
 
#6
Ok yes I took a drug, what about all the solider's that do and do not get discharged ? I did not go down the rehab route because I was getting out that week anyway for a year. Lets face it cannabis is class C the same as so many lad's I seen get caught for steriods, not class A or B. I made a mistake in a stupid state of mind and FYI im not trying to justify why I was thrown out just trying to make people aware of the extreme circumstances. If I chose the rehab then I could of stayed but at the time I could not.
 
#7
cameron25180267 said:
CR. Now what I did was wrong but given the fact I was at home so long out of my comfort zone and drunk surley count's for somthing


I think you've answered your own question pal.
 
#9
cameron25180267 said:
Ok yes I took a drug, what about all the solider's that do and do not get discharged ? I
Which soldiers - specifically?

There are no soldiers that take drugs and do not get caught and if there are then it is the fault of those who are aware of such actions and fail to do anything about it.
 
#10
cameron25180267 said:
There is nothing I want to do more than solider for my country, if this will never be then it's looking like the forien legion :).

Thanks and kind regards,

Cameron

Please HELP !
Your daughter will really benefit from your quitting your £25 k job to disappear for five years into the foreign legion won't she?!!
You cannot change the mistakes made in the past (we all make them so live with it) but we can make improved choices about the future.
Be a great father. Your daughter deserves your service and presence far more than this government deserves it. And there is no excuse for your drug taking. Take responsibility for your actions. You did the wrong thing, an illegal thing and it was no ones fault or mistake other than your own.
Learn from it and move on.
I wish you the best for the future.
 
#12
If you were found to test positive when tested on CDT, and then opt for discharge, I would say it is to be expected that you would recieve SNLR treatment. Best off just facing up to it, and accept that you made the wrong choice at the time- regardless of circumstances.
 
#13
TheCheerfulSubbie said:
Sammy,

The Armed Forced relaxed the rules on CDT in 2006. Now, for a first offence for a private soldier, they can chose rehab, or discharge.

Outraged Telegraph Article
Hi Subbie,

Yep I know that.

His statement made out that there are soldiers that get caught for taking drugs and do not get discharged - which does not make any sense given that he was offered rehab or discharge and chose the latter (why would he berate a group of people that he now wants to be part of - i.e. a reformed/rehabilitated drug user, casual or otherwise).

Therefore by his implication there are soldiers that take drugs and do not get discharged because of some reason other than that to which he has already alluded... and this can only be that they are not reported.
 
#14
LOL yes they solider on I chose out, if you read post you will see my daughter was ill and I was getting out anyway that week infact.
Yes I am aware of policy on drugs and understand the term zero tollerance. That said not many soliders go to there home town to serve for 10 months looking after a sick child with no clear direction of service, I was left to my own devices and yes im a big boy and know that drugs are wrong and would never take them when of sound mind. Clearly in these circumstances I was not, My girl's now great and Im lost without the army as I was when sent to the recruitment posting. Surely I can talk to somone?
 
#17
cameron25180267 said:
I was left to my own devices and yes im a big boy and know that drugs are wrong and would never take them when of sound mind
you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. Forget the Army and get on with your life in civvy street.
 
#18
cameron25180267 said:
I joined in 2003 as Radio system operator in the Royal signals.

So all in all without blowing my own trumpet a good solider.

Whilst at 216 my daughter was born very ill, I was attached to my local careers center for the final 10 months of my service due to come out on compassionate grounds for one year to help care for my child.

Can't argue with this; sounds as if the Army were bending over backwards to help. I would suggest you were cashing in on the fact that you were such a good soldier?

Went back to my unit to get discharged and got CDT when I arrived, Cannibis was found in my system and I was asked did I wish to go to rehab or continue with my discharge.

Second of two mistakes here. You should of taken the first option.

The first was taking the stuff in the first place.


Of course I chose discharge as it was imminet anyway. My daughter is great now and I have tried to re-enlist but have been told no due to the fact I was SNLR.

You should have known you were SNLR when you left. You would have been told.

I am fully aware of the Army's policy and zero tollorence on drug's, however I was left at home for ten month's the place I so longed to get away from because of this reason.

But you were there looking after your daughter. That's the reason the Army were discharging you in the first place, prior to the drugs thing. Why did you suddenly long to get away?

Whilst at the recruitment center I was commended for my outstanding behaviour and enthusiasum, this was reflected in my CR. Now what I did was wrong but given the fact I was at home so long out of my comfort zone and drunk surley count's for somthing.

So you were drunk in charge of an ill child? OK, sorry, that's me being a bit silly. You had it all to do mate and you screwed up. I guess this whole 'Iam so sorry' thing is your guilt working it's way to the surface?

I took a drug once and would never do it again, please advise on what I can do to appeal ? I'm currently working as a project manager on 25K per year with company car and would still pack it in tomorrow to return to the army as a private.

The advice offered by others is sound. You messed up, you paid the price; why would you want to leave such a well paid job to join something that has no need or desire for you?

There is nothing I want to do more than solider for my country, if this will never be then it's looking like the forien legion :).

Poor attempt at loyalty I am afraid. Also, why leave your daughter for five years to go off and do something you want to do? She's five years old and you wont get to see her until she's ten.

Are you for real?


Thanks and kind regards,

Cameron

Please HELP !

We just did
 
#19
cameron25180267 said:
LOL yes they solider on I chose out, if you read post you will see my daughter was ill and I was getting out anyway that week infact.
Yes I am aware of policy on drugs and understand the term zero tollerance. That said not many soliders go to there home town to serve for 10 months looking after a sick child with no clear direction of service, I was left to my own devices and yes im a big boy and know that drugs are wrong and would never take them when of sound mind. Clearly in these circumstances I was not, My girl's now great and Im lost without the army as I was when sent to the recruitment posting. Surely I can talk to somone?
I did read your post - if you had read mine you would see that I had read yours.

If you understood the army policy on drugs then this conversation would not be in progress now!

You are correct in your observations about no clear direction of service, and I am alive to the obvious, legitimate and clear concerns for your daughter.

You must of course realise that there are soldiers currently recovering from severe blast and fragmentation injuries that also have no clear direction on their service... and they have not taken drugs. Yours was a decision of your own making (I appreciate your hand may have been forced by your daughter - but you cannot disclaim that it was still your decision).

The issue in essence comes down to employment law and the freedom of contract. You cannot redress a decision by a potential employer who refuses to employ you. If this was the case then the courts would be full of cases concerning individuals who did not get the job that they wanted.

To reiterate the point that you have made, if you understood the policy then you must by default surely understand the reason(s) that they army will not re-employ you.
 
#20
So guys,

Even though people are leaving the army at an incredible rate, the fact that I am as green as they come count's for nothing ?
The fact that I have extreme circumstances count for nothing ?
The fact that I was left to come to work when I wanted, count's for nothing ?
The fact that I was recommended for a recruitment posting for my commitment and proffisional approch when dealing with recruit's count's for nothing ?
The fact that I was top student on my course's count's for nothing ?
The fact that I made a mistake while drunk count's for everything ?

There must be away or somone I can talk to apart from the careers center ?
 

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