Ex Navy Dr. thinks ATOS sucks!

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My gut feeling is I'm not surprised but there must be some arrsers who have gone through the process. What do they think of it?
 

jarrod248

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#5
My gut feeling is I'm not surprised but there must be some arrsers who have gone through the process. What do they think of it?
A work colleague is leaving to work for them, she had to do an online assessment with different scenarios such as a single Mum looking after a special needs child who couldn't be left alone. No problem with passing her for DLA. She almost got 100% in her assessment but she found an alcoholic not needing DLA. I'm not saying the full circumstances but yes scroungers are still getting through.
 
#6
My gut feeling is I'm not surprised but there must be some arrsers who have gone through the process. What do they think of it?
At a guess, those who have been through the process and have had their benefits maintained will be perfectly happy. Those who had their initial application rejected but won on appeal would be disgruntled, and those who have had their benefits stopped and had their appeals rejected will be distinctly perturbed...
 
#7
Headline, disgruntled employee whinges about the organisation he works for.......
I think Dr.Greg Wood is telling the truth.

This Mickey mouse setup has already been criticised in the past by disability campaigners, MPs including the church.

Of course ATOS are going to defend themselves, wouldn't you if government were throwing £ millions of taxpayers money at you ?

I think we should hold a public inquiry into this sham.
 

jarrod248

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#10
I think Dr.Greg Wood is telling the truth.

This Mickey mouse setup has already been criticised in the past by disability campaigners, MPs including the church.

Of course ATOS are going to defend themselves, wouldn't you if government were throwing £ millions of taxpayers money at you ?

I think we should hold a public inquiry into this sham.
He was so concerned he worked for them more than two years.
The less we see of those free Kia DLA cars the better.
Let's call it 'The Lazarus effect'.
 
#11
If it is ever found that ATOS are running a Kangaroo court involving £ multi millions of taxpayers money, this would effectively make this French firm far worse than our old friends ... The Benefit scroungers!
 
#12
My wife is disabled and been through this process.

Previously she had the rigmarole of seeing whatever locum happened to be free in the GP surgery to back up her medical claim for whatever benefit she was applying for. The locums didn't know her, couldn't give a shit and basically just said "What do you want me to write?". They just wanted her out of the surgery with a box ticked and onto the next patient. The result was my wife got the benefits she applied for.

Then came ATOS

She was called in for an assessment which took an hour and a half. The Dr who assessed her immediately saw she wasn't a fraud (her disabilities are kinda obvious) and spent the time figuring out the full extent of her problems and what her limitations were. The end result was she got a shed-load more benefits, carers and equipment to help her.

Local GPs don't care if the patient is on the fiddle and, more importantly, they don't understand the benefits system.

The ATOS Dr, by dint of this being his job, knew what benefits were available and also all the extra services/charities in the area that could help.
 
#13
My wife is disabled and been through this process.

Previously she had the rigmarole of seeing whatever locum happened to be free in the GP surgery to back up her medical claim for whatever benefit she was applying for. The locums didn't know her, couldn't give a shit and basically just said "What do you want me to write?". They just wanted her out of the surgery with a box ticked and onto the next patient. The result was my wife got the benefits she applied for.

Then came ATOS

She was called in for an assessment which took an hour and a half. The Dr who assessed her immediately saw she wasn't a fraud (her disabilities are kinda obvious) and spent the time figuring out the full extent of her problems and what her limitations were. The end result was she got a shed-load more benefits, carers and equipment to help her.

Local GPs don't care if the patient is on the fiddle and, more importantly, they don't understand the benefits system.

The ATOS Dr, by dint of this being his job, knew what benefits were available and also all the extra services/charities in the area that could help.
Oh come on, get with the programme.....
 
#16
A ex Royal Navy doctor who worked for the private French owned company ATOS which assesses people for disability benefits says its methods are "unfair".

Any Medical assessment must at least be fair to the customer.

BBC News - Disability benefit assessments 'unfair', says ex-worker


"Ema Hackett, 24, has a mid-range disability and is unable to work. A trained graphic designer, she has Hypermobility Syndrome which makes her joints abnormally flexible. She lives with chronic pain and also suffers from mental health problems.

She has a carer who comes in once a day to help with household chores and cook her dinner.

In the past three years, she has twice been rejected for full sickness benefit following assessments and twice she's successfully challenged the decision through Atos' internal appeal system.

"It feels like not only am I fighting my body to get up everyday, but I'm also fighting the system to get the money I need just to exist.

"I don't have a frivolous life. I don't really ask for much - I just want enough to live a normal life.

"The letters from the Department for Work and Pensions come in a brown envelope with a certain address on the back. Any brown envelope I look at the back and if it's from the Department for Work and Pensions, I'm scared."





A mid range disability and unable to work? A graphic designer?

Curiosly, when I had to give up engineering, I retrained into graphic design becuase its a skilled trade in demand with wide employment opportunities. For instance, mapping and rendering drawings of complex equipment and producing technical manuals require these skills.

After my return from holiday in early June, I'm going to be in hospital for further cardiac and renal investigations.

As I have high range multiple disabilities and work full time and always have done, My opinion is, she's a bit of a slacker.
 
#17
If it is ever found that ATOS are running a Kangaroo court involving £ multi millions of taxpayers money, this would effectively make this French firm far worse than our old friends ... The Benefit scroungers!
Atos are being paid to provide a service for the Government. They are not targeted on nor are they paid by results.

Dr Wood says ""My view is the government has tried to catch more people in the net than the current test allows by pulling strings behind the scenes to get the result they most desire," he added.

Given what Dr Wood claims (whether true or not) how is making the testing part of the NHS going to improve the situation? Surely Government can exert even more influence on the outcome when they control fully the organisation that is doing the testing?
 
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My wife is disabled and been through this process.

Previously she had the rigmarole of seeing whatever locum happened to be free in the GP surgery to back up her medical claim for whatever benefit she was applying for. The locums didn't know her, couldn't give a shit and basically just said "What do you want me to write?". They just wanted her out of the surgery with a box ticked and onto the next patient. The result was my wife got the benefits she applied for.

Then came ATOS

She was called in for an assessment which took an hour and a half. The Dr who assessed her immediately saw she wasn't a fraud (her disabilities are kinda obvious) and spent the time figuring out the full extent of her problems and what her limitations were. The end result was she got a shed-load more benefits, carers and equipment to help her.

Local GPs don't care if the patient is on the fiddle and, more importantly, they don't understand the benefits system.

The ATOS Dr, by dint of this being his job, knew what benefits were available and also all the extra services/charities in the area that could help.
I'm sorry that's just not good enough, please keep your posts "on message". ATOS bad, ATOS kills, ATOS French.

Thank you on behalf of Filtre d'air.

Edit, just seen Drain Sniffer's post!
 
#19
If it is ever found that ATOS are running a Kangaroo court involving £ multi millions of taxpayers money, this would effectively make this French firm far worse than our old friends ... The Benefit scroungers!
They cost £300 million per year. I did an FOI for one of their victims and found out that the male nurse at their HQ, who carried out the initial ESA 50 screening, they could not quote UK licence details for. So a male ATOS equivalent of James Shortt.

A year went by before DWP were about to face tribunal. Then one night about 8 PM they phoned the "Client" (IE Victim) and said "We can't put this in front of a judge he will kick it straight back at us".

So without putting anything in writing the DWP reversed the migration to ESA and paid up about a grand arrears of incapacity benefits.

In addition to finding that the HQ guy was not licensed to practice in UK I had also got their examining nurse disciplined by ATOS for failing to write down contraindications to the treatments she suggested would get the victim fit for work within 3 months.

So no surprises when DWP started the process all over again with a new ATOS nurse. Victim attended centre. Waited 90 minutes then was told the ATOS nurse this time was refusing to conduct the examination. So a new appointment with an ATOS doctor had to be made. hence this time the complaint is to DWP to check whether the nurse who refused to examine would have reason to fear an FOI and also to quote the UK licence details for the foreign doctor they used.

The figure of 995,000 people leaving incapacity rather than face ATOS is the same figure as the natural wastage or turnover of short term incapacity claims and people who die. So that statistic being used by IDS is bollocks. If you factor that in then you will find that 85% correct decisions is also bollocks.

With the off the record advice my thinking is that the Treasury has smelt the coffee. Hence the recent rancour during which IDS told senior treasury officials, if they spoke to his DWP staff again, he would bite off their bollocks and post them back to them in a box. Bit theatrical IDS but good laugh to send you cartoons of neutered treasury officials being found fit for work by ATOS.

Tick tick tick I am afraid Jarrod. Universal Credit is beginning to add to the chaos. I have given up on my BTLs already. F-ck subsidizing IDS idiotic policies. Now waiting to enjoy the spectacle of chaos that will ensue unless IDS and Lord Fraud start listening to the Treasury.
 
#20
They cost £300 million per year. I did an FOI for one of their victims and found out that the male nurse at their HQ, who carried out the initial ESA 50 screening, they could not quote UK licence details for. So a male ATOS equivalent of James Shortt.

A year went by before DWP were about to face tribunal. Then one night about 8 PM they phoned the "Client" (IE Victim) and said "We can't put this in front of a judge he will kick it straight back at us".

So without putting anything in writing the DWP reversed the migration to ESA and paid up about a grand arrears of incapacity benefits.

In addition to finding that the HQ guy was not licensed to practice in UK I had also got their examining nurse disciplined by ATOS for failing to write down contraindications to the treatments she suggested would get the victim fit for work within 3 months.

So no surprises when DWP started the process all over again with a new ATOS nurse. Victim attended centre. Waited 90 minutes then was told the ATOS nurse this time was refusing to conduct the examination. So a new appointment with an ATOS doctor had to be made. hence this time the complaint is to DWP to check whether the nurse who refused to examine would have reason to fear an FOI and also to quote the UK licence details for the foreign doctor they used.

The figure of 995,000 people leaving incapacity rather than face ATOS is the same figure as the natural wastage or turnover of short term incapacity claims and people who die. So that statistic being used by IDS is bollocks. If you factor that in then you will find that 85% correct decisions is also bollocks.

With the off the record advice my thinking is that the Treasury has smelt the coffee. Hence the recent rancour during which IDS told senior treasury officials, if they spoke to his DWP staff again, he would bite off their bollocks and post them back to them in a box. Bit theatrical IDS but good laugh to send you cartoons of neutered treasury officials being found fit for work by ATOS.

Tick tick tick I am afraid Jarrod. Universal Credit is beginning to add to the chaos. I have given up on my BTLs already. F-ck subsidizing IDS idiotic policies. Now waiting to enjoy the spectacle of chaos that will ensue unless IDS and Lord Fraud start listening to the Treasury.
Clearly Care in the Community is ****ing useless.
 

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