Ex Labour MPs and Tory peer lose expenses ruling

#1
It looks like their last line of defence before appearing in front of the beak, has gone.

And to right too, thieving fuckers!!

BBC Linky

BBC said:
Three former MPs and a peer will stand trial over allegations of expenses fraud after a judge ruled they could not claim parliamentary privilege to stop prosecution.

Lawyers for Elliot Morley, David Chaytor, Jim Devine and Lord Hanningfield argued only Parliament could decide any action against them.

But Mr Justice Saunders said there was no bar to them going on trial.

The four all deny charges of false accounting over their expenses.

If found guilty of charges brough under the Theft Act, they face a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment.

In his ruling Justice Saunders' said there was no "logical, practical or moral justification" for them using parliamentary privilege to prevent prosecution.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
Made my day but I still think these guys are expendable fodder and some far more culpable (and senior)individuals have got away with it by throwing them to the wolves.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
Interesting snippet in Private Eye today:

Number Crunching

£40,000 Parliamentary Expenses wrongly claimed by David Laws, who failed to declare he had been living with a partner since 2001, for which he was described as 'a good and honourable man' by the Prime Minister.

£42,000 Housing and other benefits wrongly claimed by Stoke-on-Trent shopworker who failed to declare she had married in 2003, for which she has just been jailed for 18 months.

There is still one law for them and another for the rest of us, so don't expect this bunch of crooks to be dealt with as we would have been in the situation of stealing from our employers.
 
#7
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
Made my day but I still think these guys are expendable fodder and some far more culpable (and senior)individuals have got away with it by throwing them to the wolves.
Pawn's are always expendible in a game of chess. The nature of the defence of privilege has done them no favours since by running it, they do not seek to deny culpability the commission of the offence for which the are accused, their only defence, such as it is has been which body has the jurisdiction to try them. They have lost any chance of a discounted sentence for an early plea of guilty. They have been given the opportunity of appealing this decision and I hope they take it if only for the consequences to them in the diminution of their assets in costs when the appeal fails before the supreme court and the heavier sentence they will eventually receive.

I wonder if the prosecuting authority is making the case to have Mr Laws joined as a defendent?
 
#8
Well done to one member of the judiciary who seems to be in touch with reality and managed to see through the (alleged) thieving bas****s attempt to avoid justice. Now, where's the Axeman of Tower Green when you want him?
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
Let's see the b@stards in jail for fraud, malfeasance in public office, and for trying on the Parliamentary Privilege gag.

They deserve to go down - as pointed out, some woman has just got 18 months for the same thing.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
baldbof said:
Well done to one member of the judiciary who seems to be in touch with reality and managed to see through the (alleged) thieving bas****s attempt to avoid justice. Now, where's the Axeman of Tower Green when you want him?
The peer might claim the axe, but it's hemp and a lampost for the others (with some drawing and quartering if you're a real traditionalist).
 
#12
If they are found guilty and receive a custodial sentence, it would be interesting to see if any of their assets are confiscated to pay the legal costs which would otherwise be born by the tax payers. (£Ms)
 
#13
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
baldbof said:
Well done to one member of the judiciary who seems to be in touch with reality and managed to see through the (alleged) thieving bas****s attempt to avoid justice. Now, where's the Axeman of Tower Green when you want him?
The peer might claim the axe, but it's hemp and a lampost for the others (with some drawing and quartering if you're a real traditionalist).
Remember, he is not a real peer. He is a 'pretend peer' and a member of a discredited and largely destroyed chamber.

When the 'grinning spiv' Bliar caused the 'car crash' that is now the House of so-called Lords, he undid hundreds of years of history without a split second of thought to what might replace the 'history'.
 
#14
Outstanding said:
Community Service for the next 3 years picking up litter from around westminster!
Perhaps he'll be joined by Eric IIlsley, a fourth Labour MP who was charged with £20,000 worth of council tax fraud last month.

Or Nick Palmer, a Labour MP who lost his seat at the election and found that FTSE 100 companies and lobbying groups weren't beating a path to his door. He's just signed on the dole and, with a PhD in maths, he could no doubt manage to shovel litter and police horse sh1t from the streets of Westminster.
 
#15
Does anyone else recognise the irony of the thieving bastards trying to use The Bill of Right's as the basis for their defence after politicians wholesale abuse and errosion of that same Bill of Rights over the last 12 years?
 
#16
Fat_Cav said:
It looks like their last line of defence before appearing in front of the beak, has gone.

And to right too, thieving fuckers!!

BBC Linky

BBC said:
Although the men had been given right to appeal against the verdict,
You mean apart from the fact they can appeal it :D



Been to B&Q and got the rope to hang them from the nearest lamp post
 
#17
Adam(KOS) said:
If they are found guilty and receive a custodial sentence, it would be interesting to see if any of their assets are confiscated to pay the legal costs which would otherwise be born by the tax payers. (£Ms)
The Speaker has ensured that their individual entitlement to £65,000 Resettlement Grant has been frozen. It is at least one capital asset that is not available to them if they are convicted. It will, of course be payable if they are acquitted.
 
#18
Iolis said:
Adam(KOS) said:
If they are found guilty and receive a custodial sentence, it would be interesting to see if any of their assets are confiscated to pay the legal costs which would otherwise be born by the tax payers. (£Ms)
The Speaker has ensured that their individual entitlement to £65,000 Resettlement Grant has been frozen. It is at least one capital asset that is not available to them if they are convicted. It will, of course be payable if they are acquitted.
Hopefully that'll see some of them in the civil court as they'll lack the readies to pay redundancy money to their former staff. I understand MPs are personally responsible for this.
 
#19
i think if and when it goes to court they will get off with it. because lets face it out of over 600 MP's do you think they are the only ones that are doing something wrong or whatever. my thinking is some how they will get off with it as someone has already mentioned they are just pawns in a large game. there are still MP's who are just as guilty as these 4 are still MP's in all parties.
 
#20
Fat_Cav said:
It looks like their last line of defence before appearing in front of the beak, has gone.

And to right too, thieving fuckers!!

BBC Linky

BBC said:
Three former MPs and a peer will stand trial over allegations of expenses fraud after a judge ruled they could not claim parliamentary privilege to stop prosecution.

Lawyers for Elliot Morley, David Chaytor, Jim Devine and Lord Hanningfield argued only Parliament could decide any action against them.

But Mr Justice Saunders said there was no bar to them going on trial.

The four all deny charges of false accounting over their expenses.

If found guilty of charges brough under the Theft Act, they face a maximum sentence of seven years' imprisonment.

In his ruling Justice Saunders' said there was no "logical, practical or moral justification" for them using parliamentary privilege to prevent prosecution.
They really are arrogant!
 

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