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#1
Memory fade is creeping in! - anyone remember the name of of the MOD wide Mobilisation Exercise to BAOR in 1980?

I have loads of photos of self and many others from 3 BAPD RAOC setting up Leuth staging area, just off the E3 Autobahn, prior to a Scottish Regiment coming in and taking over for the main deployment phase. Just can't remember the name.
 
#5
The overall name for the exercise was Crusader, but the BAOR phase was called Spearpoint. 1,2 & 4 Divs + the Arty Div took part in the BAOR ex play while 3 Div provided the umpires. 5 Fd Force also deployed from the UK.
 
#8
Crusader 80 I was 3 Div we spent about 6 weeks in various schools, playing fields and sports centre providing not so top notch noduf medical cover, I think my Field Ambulance treated about 3 casualties during the period as they kept sending us to the wrong places to support anyone. As I remember there were a shite load of deaths and casualties at one stage they were considering stopping exercise play as the attrition rate was so high.
 
#11
Crusader 80. Not nearly as much fun as the next 2 years, Red Claymor and Red Gauntlet .
Did I really waste my yoof on these exercises.
 
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cbgramc said:
Crusader 80 I was 3 Div we spent about 6 weeks in various schools, playing fields and sports centre providing not so top notch noduf medical cover, I think my Field Ambulance treated about 3 casualties during the period as they kept sending us to the wrong places to support anyone. As I remember there were a shite load of deaths and casualties at one stage they were considering stopping exercise play as the attrition rate was so high.

Crusader 80, may still have the naff quality t-shirt they were selling somewhere.
Learned what apfelkorn was for on that one, stood me in good stead for later exs.

I too remember that bit about a high casualty rate, an uncle was part of the Umpire set-up and I quizzed him afterwards, he affirmed that it was high without giving any figures. Rumour Control in Sennelager placed it at 75, but obviously rumours and reality don't often coincide, still a high number though.
 
#14
Remember Lionheart being especially big 'twas even big enough to make the main news in some kind of extended special report.
Was a make or break time for a lot of TA, it being compulsory but not actual mobilisation meant if your boss didn't give you time off you had to jack it in.
 
#16
I remember a short film on with a blockbuster of the time about Crusader
 

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#18
Dwarf said:
cbgramc said:
Crusader 80 I was 3 Div we spent about 6 weeks in various schools, playing fields and sports centre providing not so top notch noduf medical cover, I think my Field Ambulance treated about 3 casualties during the period as they kept sending us to the wrong places to support anyone. As I remember there were a shite load of deaths and casualties at one stage they were considering stopping exercise play as the attrition rate was so high.

Crusader 80, may still have the naff quality t-shirt they were selling somewhere.
Learned what apfelkorn was for on that one, stood me in good stead for later exs.

I too remember that bit about a high casualty rate, an uncle was part of the Umpire set-up and I quizzed him afterwards, he affirmed that it was high without giving any figures. Rumour Control in Sennelager placed it at 75, but obviously rumours and reality don't often coincide, still a high number though.
I was in Command Troop 15/19H, 3 Armd Div, so we umpired. The umpire system was that any unit in 3 Armd Div would umpire a unit at the next level up in one of the player formations. So we umpired HQ Task Force Hotel in 4 Armd Div (the Task Forces, first exercised on Spearpoint 1976, were ditched at the end of Spearpoint 80 and BAOR went back to having brigades thereafter.

Cannot comment on fatalities: I was unaware of any, but that is probably down to us tagging along behind a Task Force HQ. The exercise did certainly finish a day early. We were told it was because the two Orange Forces formations, a Bundeswehr Panzerdivision and 2 (US) "Hell on Wheels" Armored Division (dropped by Op Reforger direct from bases around Fort Worth, Texas at the start of Spearpoint) came to blows in the centre of Hildesheim and the Corps Commander decreed that his damage budget had now been completely blown.

15/19H has deployed by train over a week before Spearpoint to participate in Ex Javelin and play the main points of umpiring Spearpoint as a CPX. When a premature EndEx to Spearpoint was called, all the players had space made on trains to take them home (which wasn't far, because the exercise had taken place in the 1, 2 and 4 Armd Div areas) and we had to sit on our arrses an extra day waiting for our own trains booked months earlier to take home. Not bitter or anything.

We deployed every vehicle we had, including the LO's Ferret, crewed by the Training Wing Warrant Officer and his clerk, who hadn't been on exercise in the three years we'd been in BAOR thus far. The Ferret lived with Command Troop and generally was used to cannibalise to keep the RSM's and two Rebro Ferrets on the road. Four Ferrets on the road was a shock.

One day Snagglepuss (the clerk / driver) pulled into our location and the LO, mouth like an Arapajo's flipflops after a busy day swanning arouns the dusty exercise area, reached for the nearest water bottle, which happened to be one of Snag's. Snag shouted out a warning but could only watch in slow motion as the LO downed half a bottle. He realised it didn't smell like water but had started to swallow before he realised that it smelt of apple, being Snag's alternative bottle ... of Apfelkorn.

Valid lesson learned by both:

1. Don't steal from other people's water bottles;
2. Don't leave your bottle of alcohol where the commander might nick it.
 

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#19
hedgehog64 said:
Wasn't B.A.O.R Ex Crusader and U.K.L.F Ex Spearpoint?. I am senile :? .
We were in BAOR but usually referred to it as Spearpoint, but equally we also referred to it as Crusader. My understanding is that in the normal exercise cycle, it was Spearpoint (four years on from Spearpoint 76) in the same way that Eternal Triangle cycled every three years (memory suggests that ET was previously in 77 and subsequently in 83, suggesting that 80 was also an ET year).

Lionheart, in 84, was also a Crusader exercise. Maybe they had realised the confusion of using different names for the same thing. I have been certain of the ET dates for 30 years, but typing this I am having my doubts.

Edit. And then I read the last post before mine about ET and maybe I was right after all.
 
#20
I was with the 82nd Airborne Div in Southern Germany for the 84 one, can't remember what they called it but they'd flown straight from the US and lobbed in.
Drank a lot of JD on that Ex!
 

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