Europe votes to legalize Afghan opium for medicine

#1
some news from Nature News showing that the European Parliament supports what many on ARRSE have been saying for some time - use the Afghan poppies for medicines, not smack...


The European Parliament has overwhelmingly backed a recommendation for a pilot project looking into the legalization of opium production in Afghanistan to make morphine-related medicines, as an alternative to destroying opium poppy crops by chemical spraying.

The vote was 368–49 in favour of the recommendation, which is based on a technical dossier that was produced by the Senlis Council, an international think-tank.

The European Commission currently supports the policy of poppy eradication (see Nature 449, 268–269; 2007 ), which the Senlis Council says has been a disaster. If the Council of the European Union decides to back the European Parliament's recommendation, the commission will be forced to consider doing the same, says Jorrit Kamminga, the Senlis Council's head of policy research.
 
#2
UK Govt rejected this proposal when it was put forward by senlis council prior to Afg deployment spring last year. MoD stated that Brit Forces would oversee poppy eradication in Helmand. Since then production has sky rocketed and Brit forces are ignoring/turning blind eye to the poppy crop in Afg.

Oh dear, confusion reigns. Something Labour is good at.
 
#3
And how long would it take for some scrote to filter off morphine destined for a hospital and bring it up to heroin? 30 fcuking seconds I'd estimate.
The point being that if you have a large supply of morphine, there's a greater chance of some of it going walkies and hitting the streets. Which is what the Afghan debacle is partly about. Back to square 1.
 
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Cable_Ties said:
And how long would it take for some scrote to filter off morphine destined for a hospital and bring it up to heroin? 30 fcuking seconds I'd estimate.
The point being that if you have a large supply of morphine, there's a greater chance of some of it going walkies and hitting the streets. Which is what the Afghan debacle is partly about. Back to square 1.
Whats the price of a dose of morphine for a hospital patient? About 90 pence?

Compare with the price of a similar dose of smack for a junkie - about ten pounds?

I really can't see the Afghani drug barons queueing up to reduce their profits by over 90%.

It's a bit scary to think that the people leading the 'war on drugs' are this naive.
 
#5
Ancient_Mariner said:
Whats the price of a dose of morphine for a hospital patient? About 90 pence?

Compare with the price of a similar dose of smack for a junkie - about ten pounds?

I really can't see the Afghani drug barons queueing up to reduce their profits by over 90%.

It's a bit scary to think that the people leading the 'war on drugs' are this naive.
I'm sure the Afghans- including the barons as well as the humble farmers- are making a lot less than 90p per gram of unrefined opium. AFAIK (which really isn't far at all), the profits are made at the refining stage- in Iran, or Turkey, say- and in the smuggling route Turkey-->Bulgaria-->Central/W Europe-->UK.

So the local Afghans wouldn't lose any money at all, would have a guaranteed, risk-free income, and be reliant on NATO-led stability for their income.
 
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Rumpelstiltskin said:
Ancient_Mariner said:
Whats the price of a dose of morphine for a hospital patient? About 90 pence?

Compare with the price of a similar dose of smack for a junkie - about ten pounds?

I really can't see the Afghani drug barons queueing up to reduce their profits by over 90%.

It's a bit scary to think that the people leading the 'war on drugs' are this naive.
I'm sure the Afghans- including the barons as well as the humble farmers- are making a lot less than 90p per gram of unrefined opium. AFAIK (which really isn't far at all), the profits are made at the refining stage- in Iran, or Turkey, say- and in the smuggling route Turkey-->Bulgaria-->Central/W Europe-->UK.

So the local Afghans wouldn't lose any money at all, would have a guaranteed, risk-free income, and be reliant on NATO-led stability for their income.
I agree in outline. However, this would require organisation etc to cut out the middle men.
May I draw your attention to the thirsty goverment workers sitting in a brewery over there? ---->
 
#7
I think it is a great idea. Then any crops not licensed should be burned. This would encourage everyone to submit to the scheme. Clealrythe middlemen issue needs sorting but since there is a worldwide shortage of diamorphine something that must be rectified.
 
#8
Pay the opium farmers more than they get from the middle men now. At a stroke this would bring them on side, remove a source of funding from the bad guys and any morphine that is surplus to Europes pharmacutical need could be donated to NGO's for humanitarian medicine.

This would also cut the flow of heroin to our own streets.

It makes sense.
 
#9
nd how long would it take for some scrote to filter off morphine destined for a hospital and bring it up to heroin? 30 fcuking seconds I'd estimate.
The point being that if you have a large supply of morphine, there's a greater chance of some of it going walkies and hitting the streets. Which is what the Afghan debacle is partly about. Back to square 1.
So you build the pharmacuetical plants in Afghanistan. You ship finished product. You create jobs and wealth, you take your licence fee from the production which pays for infrastructure development, security ,education and employment.

You get it under British control and development now, the whole shebang.

As for security of shipments, take them out by air.
 
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PartTimePongo said:
So you build the pharmacuetical plants in Afghanistan. You ship finished product. You create jobs and wealth, you take your licence fee from the production which pays for infrastructure development, security ,education and employment.

You get it under British control and development now, the whole shebang.

As for security of shipments, take them out by air.
Good idea, now sell the plan to the EU :D
 
#11
The_Cad said:
Pay the opium farmers more than they get from the middle men now. At a stroke this would bring them on side, remove a source of funding from the bad guys and any morphine that is surplus to Europes pharmacutical need could be donated to NGO's for humanitarian medicine.

This would also cut the flow of heroin to our own streets.

It makes sense.
...........and you don't then think that the 'middle men' would then up the ante by offering more? Or that threats would be made to force illegal supply?

The simple truth is that whilst a commodity is prohibited, and supply restricted through conventional outlets, then illegal outlets will step in to fill the gap between supply and demand. You could of course remove the problem by decriminalising the consumption of narcotics and making them available through chemists. Even then there would be restrictions on that (age etc) which in itself would ensure a significant black market endured. All of this without the health/social problems that would surely arise if drugs were decriminalised.

Current ME exists because it is seen as easier for the planners to concentrate their eradication efforts on the source of the supply as; (a) this is concentrated into relative small geographic areas and; (b)attempts to rein in the demand-side are doomed to failure.

Perhaps ME, therefore, should be the parts of the supply chain that add value by processing the drug - these are pretty specialised and if you disrupt them you won't alienate the source of the supply but you will curtail end-supply volume. That said, this would push up the unit price and hence push up crime rates to feed this cost increase.

Summary: No win situation.
 
#12
Screw selling them the idea. Just do it. "Won't provide the troops? Can't have a portion then"

They'll jump on board soon enough when we're producing cheap opiates and creating wealth, they always do :D
 
#13
PartTimePongo said:
nd how long would it take for some scrote to filter off morphine destined for a hospital and bring it up to heroin? 30 fcuking seconds I'd estimate.
The point being that if you have a large supply of morphine, there's a greater chance of some of it going walkies and hitting the streets. Which is what the Afghan debacle is partly about. Back to square 1.
So you build the pharmacuetical plants in Afghanistan. You ship finished product. You create jobs and wealth, you take your licence fee from the production which pays for infrastructure development, security ,education and employment.

You get it under British control and development now, the whole shebang.

As for security of shipments, take them out by air.
Fair idea PTP, though that would put quite a few people near me out of work as they work in the only legal morphine production facility in the UK.

We should though buy the whole crop and use what we need and as part of the deal get them to agree to change their crops buy helping them to grow other cash crops and helping create a market for them for the new crops.
 
#14
If the middle men start to threaten people to get them to supply opiates illegally when we are paying the farmers a premium, then do you not see what a huge step that would be in our battle for hearts and minds?

We offer money, a decent standard of living and a chance for stability and a free and Independent Afghanistan. (Making sure the tribal elders are well on side)

The middle men offer threats, violence and a return to Taliban rule.

Whose side would they prefer to be on?
 
#15
Fair idea PTP, though that would put quite a few people neer me out of work as they work in the only legal morphine production facility in the UK.

We should though buy the whole crop and use what we need and as part of the deal get them to agree to change their crops buy helping them to grow other cash crops and helping create a market for them for the new crops.
Why? There is nothing wrong with growing poppies. It's product brings relief and comfort to millions of people. The Afgans are competent at growing them, and it brings them very quickly into a globalized, advanced business rather than peasants growing a cash crop to sell to their neighbours.
 
#16
Ancient_Mariner said:
Cable_Ties said:
And how long would it take for some scrote to filter off morphine destined for a hospital and bring it up to heroin? 30 fcuking seconds I'd estimate.
The point being that if you have a large supply of morphine, there's a greater chance of some of it going walkies and hitting the streets. Which is what the Afghan debacle is partly about. Back to square 1.
Whats the price of a dose of morphine for a hospital patient? About 90 pence?

Compare with the price of a similar dose of smack for a junkie - about ten pounds?

I really can't see the Afghani drug barons queueing up to reduce their profits by over 90%.

It's a bit scary to think that the people leading the 'war on drugs' are this naive.
The "Drug barons" won't like their profits being hit. The profits that allows the Taliban the cash to buy guns, ammo and pay the farmers and other unemployed men to take part in the fighting and shot at us.

Poppy farmers don't get paid anything like as much as the sums the Taliban get when they sell the opium on. So, from a Political viewpoint it's a good idea, buy the opium from the Farmers, sell to the Drug companies. Less smack on the street. From a Miltary viewpoint, it's a double winner, restrict the Talibans ability to resupply AND thin out the supply of fighters PLUS force the Taliban to either come out and fight OR run away. Result.

I'm not surprised it's taken this long to have this much sense shown by any politicans, although I suspect it's the fault of the septics..

Tiny point. Drug companies are vicicously protective of their drugs, mostly because of the sheer cost of them, even more so of those drugs with illegal usage due to the unbelievable risk to the Company if the quantity and quality of said drugs doesn't balance.
 
#17
Subject was discussed on the radio (4 I think but I didn't take a note of the names, time, date and such). SME from the UN said this idea was a non-starter because UN funded programmes already pay millions of dollars to poor areas in Indian sub-continent to produce legal poppies.

To switch programmes to Afghanistan would force others onto black market, starve thousands and have to rely on Afghan police, govt and army support to police it - support and will that just aren't there.

Whatever UN or EU will pay, the drug barons will pay more. Yet again, an ill-informed attempt by the EU to change the world and portray itself as a world force. 2nd rate politicians and eurocrats trying to punch above their weight.
 
#18
Errm, no-one is being killed in India. There is confusion in the heart of the mission on Afg. What will kill this idea off is the approach taken by the US. Experts in recent successes in Columbia have now been sent to Afg. I rather doubt that this idea will get off the round. Stand by for crop dusters destroying the crop, MUCH more likely. And sadly another huge disagreement at the heart of Afg policy.
 
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