Eurofighter crash - Italy

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by nodandawink, Sep 24, 2017.

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  1. I thought these new seats allowed the pilot to 'bang out' at zero feet and still live. Every days a lesson.
  2. The seat has to be initiated first, so the jockey has to, at least, pull the handle and get the canopy blown off, to get the seat charge initiated, or he gets ejected through the perspex, with the seat's own canopy breakers breaking it open or the perspex being blown apart by a wired-in charge. Modern seats will save a pilot at zero-zero and even from being upside down. See the Russian K36 seats as an example.
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  3. A2_Matelot

    A2_Matelot LE Book Reviewer

    Has to be awake and able to initiate the seat. I'm all for not making any speculation there could be a number of issues which led to this terrible incident.
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  4. The F35b seat automatically bangs you out if the lift fan fails.
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  5. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Pilot will need to ensure no dangly bits are hanging around when all of a sudden he unexpectedly finds himself leaving the aircraft at a rapid rate of knots!
  6. If the lift fan fails your fucked either way.
  7. Zero/zero doesn't guarantee getting out if sink rates are above 80' ps.
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    You are Pepé le Pew and I demand my free nose-clip...
  9. Not funny
  10. The 'zero-zero' capability in most modern seats guarantees aircrew of defined weight and dimensions a safe ejection from zero speed and zero altitude (ie standing still on the ground) as long as the aircraft is wings level. If an aircraft is descending rapidly, rolling or pitching, or if the pilot is a bit of a big lad, then the zero-zero capability is gradually eroded.

    For instance, Flt Lt Simon Burgess (a Tornado GR1 PoW in GW1) was killed in 1996 when his Hawk T1 suffered a control linkage failure and rolled rapidly right on take off from RAF Valley. Although he initiated ejection almost immediately, the rapid rate of roll resulted him being ejected almost horizontally. As a result, the seat separation and parachute deployment sequence had not had time to complete and he was killed when he hit the ground still in his seat.

    Loops are a basic component of Air Combat Manoeuvering even today. Conducted correctly using appropriate entry gates for speed and altitude, they are perfectly safe. Unfortunately, people are fallible and can screw those up, pull too much g, or even have an unidentified medical condition making them more susceptible to G-Loc.

    We may never know for sure.


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  11. Would a loop in afterburner be normal, or might that have been a late attempt at recovery?

    The third Eurofighter crash in a month. Spain has now lost a pilot and plane near Los Llanos during a National Day fly past. This after a Saudi loss while on ops, and the Italian loss during an airshow.

    Interview with some Spanish witnesses appears to indicate that during a low level ‘break’ by four of them one went into a vertical loop and it was this one that crashed.
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  12. That's correct, but only if the jet is not headed towards terra very firma at a high rate of knots. Late 80s one of the Red Arrows overcooked things a bit on take off* and banged out at ground level. Looked quite good, the seat did exactly what it says on the box and our steely eyed killer walked away with a few bruises plus a bit of MDC splatter.
    * The pilot in question had a habit of retracting the flaps and gear just as soon as he got airborne, plus for technical reasons the Arrows fly their displays with the airbrakes out a lot of the time. All well and good but on the Hawk the airbrake is on the underside of the fuselage. So a combination of the above plus opening the brakes a bit too soon was never going to end well. And it didn't. Minor digression, but it indicates what bang seats can do. Somewhere in the depths of U-Tube there is a USAF film on banging out and why it doesn't always end well, almost invariably because the seat is used outside of its limits.
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  13. Wasn't that the one filmed by thw BBC with Phillip Schofield in one of thw back seats for a Saturday morning tv show.
    IIRC it was shortly after another pilot had left his jet just before it hit a house just up the road from Scampton.
  14. That happened just after my posting to Scampton, the almost amusing thing about it was that a wing buried itself in a young boys bedroom, fortunately he wasn't there at the time. Apparently he was something of a Red Arrows fan and always wanted a souvenir of the Reds. Got one, personal delivery.
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