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Celebrated in the face of the UK decision to leave the EU my arrse.

From the very same article:

"But, ironically, some EU leaders see the wide-ranging deal they have agreed with far-off Japan as a possible model for future commercial relations with the United Kingdom, once it formally quits the bloc.

“Everything is uncertain with the United Kingdom for the moment, but one day or another we’ll have to negotiate something,” Malmstrom said, predicting that a U.K. deal would “go even further” than Japan’s."

#DespiteBrexitupyourseu
You do understand that the UK won't be benefiting from this deal once we leave?
 

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Obviously largely ignored by the lunatic press but this is a significant development for the EU, and indeed Japan.

This deal covers 1/3 of the world's GDP

I cannot see the Japanese car companies sticking around for long in the UK post brexit once we flounce out into isolation.

EU parliament approves Japan trade deal, dubbed world's largest | The Japan Times

The European Parliament on Wednesday approved an accord with Japan that has been dubbed the world’s biggest trade deal, covering economies that represent a third of global GDP.

The agreement will go into effect in February, and has been celebrated as a victory for Europe as a free trade champion in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s protectionism and the U.K.’s decision to leave the EU.
So, the US is protectionist while the EU is for Free Trade with the world - aye right!
 

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So, the US is protectionist while the EU is for Free Trade with the world - aye right!
Who's arguing that the EU isn't protectionist?

Not me.

What's wrong with protecting your economy?
 
Who's arguing that the EU isn't protectionist?

Not me.

What's wrong with protecting your economy?
Spoken like a true socialist

Trade protectionism has often been used with the intent of helping a nation recover from an economic downturn.

However, in many instances the opposite effect occurred in which not just one but many nations suffered economic setbacks such as a recession or even a depression.

In fact for Irony here's what the Guardian said about Trumps proposed trade tariffs back in 2016

Economists are all but unanimous in arguing that the macroeconomic effects of Trump’s plan would be disastrous. Repudiation of free and open trade would devastate confidence and depress investment.

Other countries would retaliate by imposing tariffs of their own, flattening US exports. The consequences would resemble those of the Smoot-Hawley tariff, enacted by the US Congress in 1930 and signed by an earlier, disgraced Republican president, Herbert Hoover – a measure that exacerbated the Great Depression.
If even The Guardian understands it's wrong, how far left do you have to be to consider it a good thing
 
Obviously largely ignored by the lunatic press but this is a significant development for the EU, and indeed Japan.

This deal covers 1/3 of the world's GDP

I cannot see the Japanese car companies sticking around for long in the UK post brexit once we flounce out into isolation.

EU parliament approves Japan trade deal, dubbed world's largest | The Japan Times

The European Parliament on Wednesday approved an accord with Japan that has been dubbed the world’s biggest trade deal, covering economies that represent a third of global GDP.

The agreement will go into effect in February, and has been celebrated as a victory for Europe as a free trade champion in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s protectionism and the U.K.’s decision to leave the EU.
Yes, mate.

an agreement that removes 10% tariffs on Japanese card and 3% on parts that Europe wants, needs and buys compared with removal of tariffs on Eu wine and cheese... In Japan.

great stuff.
 
So, the US administration makes a correction to the EU's diplomatic status. The media comments explode in the usual frenzy of two-way acrimony.

However, this is the US merely pointing out that the Emperor is wearing borrowed clothes, i.e. that the EU is not in fact a "state", but simply an "international organisation".

Does the EU have any grounds to be upset about this? Is it a new concept in diplomacy and international law that a non-sovereign organisation can claim diplomatic recognition and privileges as a state, or is it up to the EU to clarify whether it is a state-in-construction or simply a static organisation of sovereign chums?

How long does the EU intend to sit in diplomatic limbo? If it seeks diplomatic status as an "emergent nation", then isn't it about time its 50-year (say) political roadmap was made public?


Trump administration demotes EU ambassador's diplomatic status without telling him
 

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So, the US administration makes a correction to the EU's diplomatic status. The media comments explode in the usual frenzy of two-way acrimony.

However, this is the US merely pointing out that the Emperor is wearing borrowed clothes, i.e. that the EU is not in fact a "state", but simply an "international organisation".

Does the EU have any grounds to be upset about this? Is it a new concept in diplomacy and international law that a non-sovereign organisation can claim diplomatic recognition and privileges as a state, or is it up to the EU to clarify whether it is a state-in-construction or simply a static organisation of sovereign chums?

How long does the EU intend to sit in diplomatic limbo? If it seeks diplomatic status as an "emergent nation", then isn't it about time its 50-year (say) political roadmap was made public?


Trump administration demotes EU ambassador's diplomatic status without telling him
Good! Put the jumped up buggers back in their place!
 
You do understand that the UK won't be benefiting from this deal once we leave?
According to the briefings I've been getting from Ministers, of all the countries that have agreements with the EU (about 40 I think), the only one that isn't prepared to roll it over for us by scratching out EU and writing in UK while we negotiate our own deal is South Korea, and that's because they don't think Brexit will happen. All others will carry on as before with exactly the same deal for us while we sort things out.

HOT POOP! Apparently it won't be as easy as I've been briefed. Liam Fox will break his promise to sign 40 free trade deals the 'second after' Brexit

However, I suspect that since the 'detailed technical discussions' have been in place for years now, the actual delay wouldn't be too horrible. I'm willing to see how that unfolds.
 
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Apparently one of the EU bodies leaving the UK - Medicines and Medical something-or-other is complaining that they still have to pay for the on-going lease on a building that they are vacating at Canary Wharf.

So, when we want to leave then we should pay that to what we are committed. But, when he boot is on the other foot, they should be released from the commitment.

Case in court today. £500m at stake, according to The Times.
The hypocrisy of the EU never, never ceases to amaze me.
 
New to me:
Apparently one of the EU bodies leaving the UK - Medicines and Medical something-or-other is complaining that they still have to pay for the on-going lease on a building that they are vacating at Canary Wharf.

So, when we want to leave then we should pay that to what we are committed. But, when he boot is on the other foot, they should be released from the commitment.

Case in court today. £500m at stake, according to The Times.
The hypocrisy of the EU never, never ceases to amaze me.


If their Notice period on a commercial lease contract was longer than two years, then perhaps its their Real Estate agent they need to complain to?
 

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Oh yes, and their poster boy President that was going to hold it all together has his own problems far closer to home.

The rise and fall of Macron’s European revolution

His ex-bodyguard Benalla was locked up today on remand after keeping 4x dip. passports and super-encrypted mobile which was authorised up to secret, despite being suspended then sacked in July.
Oh, and using them all in his travels far and wide since then in making business contacts.
Gilets Jaunes are still pushing, and the national dialogue is making a lot of ministers go out into the hinterland and see the results of the policies they are pushing, and speak to the people penalised by them.
Not comfortable reading for them I am told.
The seaside house of Manny in Le Touquet has 200 protesters camped outside and picketing, (in the de rigueur uniform of yellow) and the accompanying CRS vans must also be a real bugger for the neighbours.
Going to be very interesting in May for an unknown number of sitting MEPs who will be looking for further employment.
 

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Andrew Neil just announced on the Daily Politics that the French have recalled their ambassador to Italy because the 'Tallie President met members of Gillet Jaune protest moment.

Something rotten in the 'state'* of EU.


*Not really a state, but you get my drift! :D
 
History changing over time or just some lazy editing?

Here we learn from europa.eu that the EU is set up in the period 1945 - 1959... This is not true.
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Link to source: The history of the European Union | European Union
Unfortunately this top view seems to encourage a common misconception, often claimed in the media and by various politicians. Look a their brief history account and we find that what they should have referred to was the "predecessor of the EU".

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Link to source: The EU in brief | European Union

If the latter is missed then the former gives superficial credence to the myth that the EU has been in place for 70 years despite the legal details. Here we can see that the European Union was created by he Maastrich Treaty in 1992:

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Here is the actual text of the Maastricht treaty from 1992 EUR-Lex - 11992M/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex
 

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History changing over time or just some lazy editing?

Here we learn from europa.eu that the EU is set up in the period 1945 - 1959... This is not true.
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Link to source: The history of the European Union | European Union
Unfortunately this top view seems to encourage a common misconception, often claimed in the media and by various politicians. Look a their brief history account and we find that what they should have referred to was the "predecessor of the EU".

View attachment 392769
Link to source: The EU in brief | European Union

If the latter is missed then the former gives superficial credence to the myth that the EU has been in place for 70 years despite the legal details. Here we can see that the European Union was created by he Maastrich Treaty in 1992:

View attachment 392768

Here is the actual text of the Maastricht treaty from 1992 EUR-Lex - 11992M/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
 
History changing over time or just some lazy editing?

Here we learn from europa.eu that the EU is set up in the period 1945 - 1959... This is not true.
View attachment 392767
Link to source: The history of the European Union | European Union
Unfortunately this top view seems to encourage a common misconception, often claimed in the media and by various politicians. Look a their brief history account and we find that what they should have referred to was the "predecessor of the EU".

View attachment 392769
Link to source: The EU in brief | European Union

If the latter is missed then the former gives superficial credence to the myth that the EU has been in place for 70 years despite the legal details. Here we can see that the European Union was created by he Maastrich Treaty in 1992:

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Here is the actual text of the Maastricht treaty from 1992 EUR-Lex - 11992M/TXT - EN - EUR-Lex


Its one of the 2 big lies put about by "remainers", that & the fact that without the EU it would be difficult/impossible for Brits to travel around it. This is often accepted as true, especially by the younger ones. Conveniently forgetting that it was NATO, mainly in the form of hundreds of thousands of American & British troops, tanks & aircraft, based in Germany, along with a potent nuclear deterrent, that kept the red hordes out until the USSR imploded in the late '90's. Secondly I, as a normal Brit, have never had any difficulty since 1954 travelling to virtually every country in W. Europe with one major exception, the pathetic & time consuming hassle in getting visa's for my business trips to the people paradise, East Germany!!
 
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Brexit drives firms to relocate to Germany | DW | 13.05.2019

The government-backed economic development agency German Trade and Invest (GTAI) said some 168 British companies had made Germany their home — or at least resettle part of their operations — in 2018.
GTAI credited Brexit as a likely reason, with a 38% increase in the number of British firms moving operations to Germany since the Brexit vote in June 2016.
"The figures prove clearly, Germany is a popular investment location for foreign companies," said Robert Hermann, GTAI's chief executive. "It's particularly noteworthy that never have so many British companies settled in Germany as they did last year."
Hermann said those compiling the study had asked companies why they had relocated. "For almost a half — 45 percent Brexit was the reason for it," he said.


168 x 0.45 = 75.6 British companies. There didn't seem to be a source reference link which was disapointing, so I searched and found the the Germany Trade And Invest (GTAI) website.

Press release with a powerpoint type presentation video
GTAI - FDI Reporting
Direct link to video: The report itself:
https://www.gtai.de/GTAI/Content/EN/Meta/Press/Specials/special-fdi-reporting-download.pdf?v=10
Content relevant to the "Brexit Poll":

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Where market divergence is a likely outcome, some firms will obviously choose to have an office or operations in key parts of their main market areas. Other countries outside the EU do the same. These figures don't give us enough detail. From here it looks like business pragmatism to invest in a key area of an economically diverging market. Where is the data on "relocation" to Germany vs investment in Germany?
 

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