EU to include North African and Russia?

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Foreign Secretary David Miliband
Mr Miliband urged the EU to use "soft and hard power"
Foreign Secretary David Miliband has suggested the European Union should work towards including Russia, Middle Eastern and North African countries.

He said enlargement was "our most powerful tool" for extending stability.

In his first major speech on the UK's relationship with Europe, he said the EU would not become a "superpower" but should be a "role model" for the world.

It could be a "model power of regional co-operation" dedicated to free trade, the environment and tackling extremism.

He said the EU must "keep our promises to Turkey", adding: "If we fail.... it will signal a deep and dangerous divide between east and west.

"Beyond that we must keep the door open, retaining the incentive for change and the prospect of membership provides."

Mr Miliband made his address at the College of Europe in Bruges, Belgium, where Baroness Thatcher delivered her famous warning against "some sort of identikit European personality" almost exactly two decades ago in September 1988.

US 'only superpower'

Mr Miliband said that speech had been "haunted by demons - a European superstate bringing in socialism by the back door".

But he said: "The truth is that the EU has enlarged, remodelled and opened up. It is not and is not going to become a superstate. But neither is it destined to become a superpower."


In the way it dispenses its responsibilities around the world, it can be a role model that others follow
David Miliband
British foreign secretary



Instead he said the EU had the chance to be a "model power" which could develop shared values between countries.

"As a club that countries want to join, it can persuade countries to play by the rules, and set global standards. In the way it dispenses its responsibilities around the world, it can be a role model that others follow."

Extremism and insecurity

Mr Miliband said new threats, like protectionism, religious extremism, energy insecurity, rogue and failing states and climate change provided a new "raison d'etre" for the EU.

He outlined four principles for the "next generation" of Europe, for it to remain open to "trade, ideas and investment", to develop shared institutions to overcome religious and cultural divides, to prevent conflict by championing international law and human rights in and outside Europe, and to become a "low carbon power".

He said a successful EU must be prepared to "deploy soft and hard power to promote democracy and tackle conflict beyond its borders".


The fact is that if the renamed constitution goes through we will have a more inward-looking Europe
William Hague
Shadow foreign secretary

He said the goal "must be a multilateral free-trade zone around our periphery".

This would be a "version of the European Free Trade Association that could gradually bring the countries of the Mahgreb, the Middle East and Eastern Europe in line with the single market, not as an alternative to membership, but potentially as a step towards it".

And the EU should extend military support to places like Darfur, he argued, to help solve problems of unwanted migration.

'Embarrassing'

He also said European nations had to "improve their capabilities".

"It's frankly embarrassing that when European nations - with almost two million men and women under arms - are only able, at a stretch, to deploy around 100,000 at any one time," he said.

"European countries have around 1,200 transport helicopters, yet only 35 are deployed in Afghanistan. And EU member states haven't provided any helicopters in Darfur despite the desperate need there."

Long-term regulations were needed to phase out carbon emissions in key areas - by reducing vehicle emissions and work towards "a zero-emission vehicle standard across Europe".

He said that by 2020, all new coal-fired power stations must be fitted with "carbon capture and storage".

In a reference to the failed EU Constitution, he said: "The constitutional debate shows that people don't want major institutional upheaval. Unanimity is slow but it respects national identities."

But his Conservative counterpart William Hague said Mr Miliband and his colleagues were "ramming that constitution through under a new name and refusing to give voters a say at an election or a referendum" - a reference to the EU Reform treaty.

"The fact is that if the renamed constitution goes through we will have a more inward-looking Europe," said Mr Hague.

"The treaty's clauses will make the EU more protectionist and less competitive and give the EU more power to interfere with crucial areas like our criminal justice system."
Yet another piece of bollocks from new liarbour
 
#4
It's actually quite smart - having Turkey, Russia and North Africa in would definitely wreck the eurocrat's plans for any meaningful EU state. It could be the best possible outcome for those who don't want European meddling.
 

Alsacien

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#5
Just shows he is even more clueless about international affairs on his doorstep, than that stupid woman responsible for affairs within UK.

Bring on an election, Brown's has handed out spades to the only people who could have pulled him out of his hole....
 
#6
Just how far does he want the borders of the EEC stretch, with say the Far East joining forces, and the Americas working more closely, has he read 1984? or thought its a training memoir
 
#7
There's enough third world crap in the EU without letting Africa & Russia in. FFS how can Africa be part of Europe.
 
#8
Makes you wonder about the teaching of geography. Has anyone actually pointed out the borders of the continent of Europe to these numpties?
 

DieHard

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Book Reviewer
#9
correct me if im wrong but i thought north africa was not europe, even the french gave up on that idea or is it really thier idea to claim back algeria which has more extremist than most other places, this world is going fcuking mad and our goverment is way near the front
 
#10
Maybe the plan is to combat terrorism by slowly increasing the size of the EU until it covers the whole world, then instead of having to attack us to try and turn us into a muslim state they can just vote it in the EU parliament.
 
#11
This quote from him is a classic
"As a club that countries want to join, it can persuade countries to play by the rules, and set global standards. In the way it dispenses its responsibilities around the world, it can be a role model that others follow."
Nearly fell off my chair from laughing so much, and he is classed as a Liarbour bright star is he 8O .
 
#13
David Miliband said:
The EU must "keep our promises to Turkey", adding:
Anything about Turkey keeping its promises to us?

David Miliband said:
"As a club that countries want to join, ..."
Definitions of club:
1. A blunt instrument used to hit people round the head with
2. a place which you pay to get into and then get drunk.

So he's got that right, then.

Edited to add: I seriously hope that the FCO see the EU as slightly more than just 'a club'.

William Hague said:
"It's frankly embarrassing that when European nations - with almost two million men and women under arms - are only able, at a stretch, to deploy around 100,000 at any one time," he said.

"European countries have around 1,200 transport helicopters, yet only 35 are deployed in Afghanistan. And EU member states haven't provided any helicopters in Darfur despite the desperate need there."
Fair point.

[quote="HH_2]Yet another piece of balls from new liarbour[/quote]

Nuff said
 
#14
Whilst I don't really favour the idea of allowing countries from the Maghreb or Russia in to the EU, how about some sort of half way house? I'm thinking something along the lines of the European Economic Area but with the movement of persons section specifically not included, basically a free trade zone.
 
#15
If they become part of Europe.... Does that mean that they will have a right to cross UK borders and work within the UK without border controls and immigration?
 
#16
It's high time this government were forcibly removed, as they're clearly fcuking insane. I used to joke about Mongolia's entry in to the EU, but after reading that...? Do they not realise that the entire planet cannot fit in to a semi in Northwick Park? The entire Labour regime needs to be put to the sword before its' too late! Even George Orwell couldn't of dreamt this cack up. Close, but no cigar.
 
#17
The full speech is here -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7097162.stm

It is slightly less full-on swivel-eyed loony-tune crazy than the BBC report suggests (although not much in places), although there is indeed one bit that appears to suggest that the world, his dog (or camel, delete as applicable) could one day be part of Europe. I await the Israeli application for membership with interest...

The Beeb seems to have downplayed the 'Pull your fingers out and give us some SH for use in Afghanistan' bit that I imagine Miliband intended to be one of the main messages.
 
#18
WasMe said:
If they become part of Europe.... Does that mean that they will have a right to cross UK borders and work within the UK without border controls and immigration?
No, there'd be very strict safeguards put into place to stop these-ala Romania at the moment.

I'm fully against this-Africa would be a complete drain on the European budget-just look at the Common Agriculture Policy-that is a massive drain on EU Finances-add into the equation several shitholes of countries in Africa and you've got a recipe for disaster. Anyway, most of Africa is corrupt beyond repair.

Even if it was agreed to let them in, they'd have to adhere to several standards in various areas such as economics and human rights and there's more chance of me captaining Ireland in the 2008 6 Nations than the aforementioned countries achieving these targets this side of 2030. Just look at the struggle Turkey has trying to get into the EU.

Miliband, whilst highly educated, is a complete and utter tool if he thinks this stupid idea has got any legs.
 
#19
WasMe said:
If they become part of Europe.... Does that mean that they will have a right to cross UK borders and work within the UK without border controls and immigration?
Who needs the right? Seems like anybody who wants to can rock up in the UK and get a job at the moment. Why bother extending the EU?
 
#20
I wouldn't worry about many more joining in Europe never mind North Africa, the apllicant countries now Croatia ect will be next in, then it'sll be another long long time before the next are allowed in.

But Technially there are part's of Europe in North Africa, Ceuta and milla, 2 Spanish cities that Morrocco claim :)
 

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