EU santioned hacking without warrents

Discussion in 'Gaming and Software' started by Pacifist_Jihadist, Jan 6, 2009.

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  1. I had a quick look and couldnt see this posted.

    The EU (something i dont hate as much as some people) has increased the powers for intrusion into peoples computers. Essentially the police here when they feel the need, or at the request of other EU members, can hack into peoples computers to search for incriminating evidence without warrants, all for crimes that could result in as little as 3 years in jail.

    Telegraph link

  2. Let me save the spooks the trouble. My surfing consists of

    1. Arrse
    2. Vintage Airplanes
    3. All the News and Current Affairs I can assimilate
    4. Porn , particularly the late 80's early 90's and in particular the collected works of Ms. Alicyn Sterling.

    I'd hate to see resources wasted when I can give them a head start.
  3. PTP those are the same attributes they would find from my web searching too!

    Seriously though this is a major intrusion into our lives, I dont doubt that our internet bank accounts may be hacked by dishonest inspections of our PC's. I think also that those who wish to keep their activities under cover will develop "safeguards".
  4. ... and I am berated for referring to the European SOVIET Union.

    I suspect most people now expect Brown and his gang to reduce personal freedoms and increase the power of the State at every opportunity. In line with this view I would not be surprised at all if, before May 2010, Brown declares it would be "...imprudent in the current state of financial difficulties..." to hold a General Election.
  5. There are ways around this new scheme. The really serious, high-tech criminals will develop new and cutting-edge methods of preventing hacking by, say, unplugging the ethernet cable when they aren't using the computer, or keeping all their data on a removable hard drive stored away from the computer, or if they're really clever, turning the computer off at the wall (no power means no hard drive movement means no reading the hard drive, surely?)
  6. Another step closer to Personal Bar-Coding.

    But still they'll vote for Labour, as they have to, as Labour pays there wages. It's no longer the UK, IT's Mongnation.

    Here goes. We can blow up there servers by using all the so-called key words in every email, post or text message:
    :D :D :D :D


    That should keep them busy :D :D :D
  7. There are so many ways around this it's ridiculous to even suggest that plod is remotely capable of accessing someone's hard drive. A simple router with an in built firewall will be enough to give them a severe headache because they automatically block all incoming connections. WPA2 would take them ages to crack sitting outside your house in a van that you'd notice. Infact I'd bring them tea and coffee in the morning and wish them luck. Suggesting they send you malware in an email hoping that you will open it is hilarious! The thing is the technologically illiterate Times Online swallow this crap as gospel and then spread it around. It spooks people because they assume that the police or the state have the ability to do it or have the competence.

    No I don't agree that they should be allowed to attempt to hack a users PC without a warrant any more so than they have a right to open your mail or enter your house and that's why we should fight such poor legislation. However, without direct access to your router or PC they have got such a slim chance of achieving anything. So what's the point?

    If you were looking to keep your data safe because you were waging jihad you'd take more precaution than the average dolt who walks into PCWorld. There's plenty of wifi hotspots around that give you web access and things like SSL, an encrypted VPN with servers in another country would be impossible for them to trace or access.
  8. However, a simple firmware update and they would have complete contol of all the routers.
  9. BuggerAll

    BuggerAll LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    One begins to have sympathy with the Mountain men survivalist types in some of the more inaccessible places in the US.

    I could see a point when there could be anti Festung Europa terrorism. Hopefully I will have emigrated by then.
  10. It may be hilarious, or even sad, but targeted malware linked to web-pages of interest to the target organisation - say, for ARRSE members, a faked report of the sacking of Bob Ainsworth for breaking of the new extreme porn law - would get a lot of the people clicking the link. Creating malware that is, temporarily, going to get through most desktop security is not impossible.

    It has happened, and the military are not immune. Harder to get a specific individual but, if you don't need a warrant then you haven't necessarily got the restrictions requiring you to minimise collateral intrusion.

    Frankly, if you have time, most computers have security holes. Hence the suggestions about disconnecting the computer from the hinterweb and keeping your sensitive data on removable media would be the best way to minimise any exposure. Or, alternatively, keeping your seditious activities quiet from the Stasi.
  11. Keyboards give off electronic emissions which travel tens of yards. If plod wanted to then all they have to do is sit outside and read said emissions to get what you e typing. The suggestion of breaking in and planting a keystroke reader is really rather silly.
  12. Under laboratory conditions, scientists have so far managed to successfully achieve this to a distance of about 10 feet. Get you facts straight Sven. Far more efficient to send a spoof email with keylogging software attached.
  13. You are talking bollox WC - unless you have proof. I have my facts right. As for spoof email, any good bit of software will pick up spyware or malware.
  14. Any reliable program will pick up common malware and most recent stuff. As the Virus Bulletin tests (and others) regularly show, many commercial and trusted programs are not 'reliable' in that sense and many people do not keep their protection up to date.

    However, specifically targeted malware that is only sent to a few targets will not be caught, except via effective behavioural detection engines (which don't exist yet but they are getting better - Kaspersky's is good but irritating to use). Where the attachment or link is benign and the malware is hidden on the web page, then you have an even better scenario for your attack.

    People rely too much on AV and anti-spyware tools to protect them from the consequences of their own deliberate acts and the errors and compromises of the operating system developers.
  15. But they need to know what router you are using and secondly they would need to go through the manufacturer in order to get a firmware update.