EU Rules Migrant families can stay in UK

#1
This is going to be interesting. Now if anyone - from anywhere - can get their child into a UK school the UK will not only have to give them free education but also give them benefit.

Buy shares in airlines and ferries, because most of the developing world will now be heading to the UK, and get down the bookies to get good odds on the next government being BNP while you can.

EU Rules Migrant families 'can stay' in UK
By Dominic Casciani, BBC News

The European Court of Justice has said some migrant families can stay in the UK and claim benefits - even if the main worker has left the country.

The court, which deals with EU law, said some families must be allowed to stay when their child was in education.

A child's education was paramount, so parents could not be told to leave if they could not support themselves.

The Home Office said it was disappointed with the ruling but would not be drawn on its implications.

The judgement could lead to more foreign national families claiming a right to remain, even if they are not working and have no ties here other than children in education.

Long battle

The ruling comes after a protracted legal battle by two families over the right to education and public services in the UK.

In the first case, a Somali woman, Nimco Hassan Ibrahim, arrived with her children in the UK in 2003 to join her husband.

He was a Danish citizen working legally in the UK under the European Union's standard rules governing freedom of movement.

Ms Ibrahim's husband left the UK in 2004 and the couple separated. Ms Ibrahim and the children, who also had Danish citizenship, stayed in the UK.

The court said she had never been self-sufficient, and relies on benefits and housing support for herself and her children.

In the second case, a Portuguese woman, Maria Teixeira, joined her husband in the UK in 1989 and their daughter was born in the country two years later.

The couple later divorced and, years later, Ms Teixeira challenged a council's decision to deny her housing benefit.

Lawyers for Ms Teixeira told the court she had a right to residence because of her daughter's continuing education.

'Right of residence'

Harrow and Lambeth councils in London both fought the families' legal challenges, supported by the Home Office.

But in its judgement, the Luxembourg court said that a foreign national parent who was caring for a child in education had a right to live in the UK.

That right applied even if the parent who was working was no longer part of the family and the parent who was the carer had no individual claim to live in the country.

It said that it backed the two families because European Union law clearly stated that it would be unjust to interfere with a child's education once it had legally begun.

The judgement said: "The court finds that the right of residence of the parent who is the primary carer of a child of a migrant worker who is in education is not conditional on that parent having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host member state."

A Home Office spokesman said: "We are disappointed with today's ruling.

"We will now consider closely the European Court judgments and their implications."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/8532868.stm

Published: 2010/02/23 20:32:18 GMT

© BBC MMX
 
#5
The left/liberal apologist posters on here are away at the moment consulting their spin doctors....... expect them along shortly if only to deviate and obfuscate the issue.
 
#6
This is a true story Guys and not one plucked off the top off my head. I was based in Hounslow (West London) in the Mid Eighties, decided that I had enough of the Army and informed my CO that I was to part ways after 9 years service. I Left in May 88 and started work at Heathrow Airport as a Security Supervisor (No drain on the nation) I was renting a room in a house with shared facilities which at the time was costing me £270 a month plus bills electric, phone, gas etc

About two months later I met my old Welfare Warrant Officer in the Pub (Yip I used to drink as a civvy) and he asked how things were I told him it was ok but my biggest gripe was paying £270 plus bills for a pokey room in a house. He then explained to me that I was an “Incoming Worker” and because I worked since the age of 16 (I was then 28) I had accrued enough points over those years to entitle me to at least a one bedroom flat. Armed with a letter of evidence from the very same WO a week later I had an appointment with someone from the councils Housing Department.

I was ushered into a little booth where upon I met them ‘Man from The Council’, I think his name was “Rashid Hussian” or something I could be wrong. We had a long conversation and he was explaining the rules and regulations to me and then he started to wind up the interview when he said to me (In his bestest Pigeon English!! I have a neck talking about Speaking English I am a Porridge Wog!!) , now I will never forget this to my dying day.

“Mr ******* I have taken on board all of your points however the best thing for you to do is go ‘Back to your own country’ where you may have a better chance of accommodation”.
The man telling me this was not a British born Asian but one who been in country 12 years at that time, so I was duly put back in my box. I know the question you are all going to ask?

“Did you kick off?” Your dam right I kicked off and chased the little Bar Steward across the council offices, to hear him screaming like a girl was good enough for me. I then took myself back to Cavalry Barrack and asked the RSM if I could re join and the rest they say is history.

The Moral of this story is “It is not only in recent years we have been Shafting our own”

Aye

Magic
 
#7
Magician. Yopu are clearly a decent, but misguided, citizen. You don't go armed with papers showing your entitlements and rights. You go with a brown envelope.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#8
Case 2. Portugese citizen (therefore an EU national not a "foreign" national) has a brat in UK. It does not say whether the father was British or Portugese, but either way the brat would be entitled to stay in UK, therefore logically the mother too.
Don't have an issue with that one.

Case 1 is more interesting.
Danish bloke working in UK, fine. Imports his Somali wife and brats - what is the UK immigration policy regarding that? Why was she not obliged to leave with her husband a year later? Then there would have been no case, 7 years later it appears there is.
 
#10
And based on this little nugget

European Union law clearly stated that it would be unjust to interfere with a child's education once it had legally begun.

Can the Armed Forces now refuse posting orders on the basis that a posting would interfere with a childs education or is it just one rule that only applies to financial migrants?
 
#12
Abhorrent as it is seeing the social funds being wasted on foreign scroungers (we should be looking after our own scroungers first eh?) but the UK is down the pecking order in the European league too. We are topped by Germany (who usually top all Euro leagues), France and (we are) closely followed by Italy and Spain. Denmark and Holland are also favourite places for johnny parasite.

If I was in need of a change of scenery to feed my lazy work-shy needs then the UK would be down my list of choices. Ffs, southern Ireland would be a better option!

What does make me think though, if the above statistics are still valid, is that we are getting the untermensch of the migrants as all the clever ones are opting for elsewhere.
 
#13
Alsacien said:
Case 1 is more interesting.
Danish bloke working in UK, fine. Imports his Somali wife and brats - what is the UK immigration policy regarding that? Why was she not obliged to leave with her husband a year later? Then there would have been no case, 7 years later it appears there is.
The article isn't very well worded, but the children have Danish citizenship & it reads as if the wife had attained it too.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#14
CaptainPlume said:
Alsacien said:
Case 1 is more interesting.
Danish bloke working in UK, fine. Imports his Somali wife and brats - what is the UK immigration policy regarding that? Why was she not obliged to leave with her husband a year later? Then there would have been no case, 7 years later it appears there is.
The article isn't very well worded, but the children have Danish citizenship & it reads as if the wife had attained it too.
If that is true, why were they wasting taxpayers money on a court case they could not possibly win?
Why would she want to be in UK rather than Denmark which probably has the best social and education system in Europe?
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
Dosen't this mean that those living ion France in the camp are there fopre entitled to bennifit and homes

I welcome the EUI tightning the law because it means the first country the arrive at must take them and very few will actually reach the UK
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
The_Magician said:
This is a true story Guys and not one plucked off the top off my head. I was based in Hounslow (West London) in the Mid Eighties, decided that I had enough of the Army and informed my CO that I was to part ways after 9 years service. I Left in May 88 and started work at Heathrow Airport as a Security Supervisor (No drain on the nation) I was renting a room in a house with shared facilities which at the time was costing me £270 a month plus bills electric, phone, gas etc

About two months later I met my old Welfare Warrant Officer in the Pub (Yip I used to drink as a civvy) and he asked how things were I told him it was ok but my biggest gripe was paying £270 plus bills for a pokey room in a house. He then explained to me that I was an “Incoming Worker” and because I worked since the age of 16 (I was then 28) I had accrued enough points over those years to entitle me to at least a one bedroom flat. Armed with a letter of evidence from the very same WO a week later I had an appointment with someone from the councils Housing Department.

I was ushered into a little booth where upon I met them ‘Man from The Council’, I think his name was “Rashid Hussian” or something I could be wrong. We had a long conversation and he was explaining the rules and regulations to me and then he started to wind up the interview when he said to me (In his bestest Pigeon English!! I have a neck talking about Speaking English I am a Porridge Wog!!) , now I will never forget this to my dying day.

“Mr ******* I have taken on board all of your points however the best thing for you to do is go ‘Back to your own country’ where you may have a better chance of accommodation”.
The man telling me this was not a British born Asian but one who been in country 12 years at that time, so I was duly put back in my box. I know the question you are all going to ask?

“Did you kick off?” Your dam right I kicked off and chased the little Bar Steward across the council offices, to hear him screaming like a girl was good enough for me. I then took myself back to Cavalry Barrack and asked the RSM if I could re join and the rest they say is history.

The Moral of this story is “It is not only in recent years we have been Shafting our own”

Aye

Magic
We moved to York in 1978
A woman from the council offered to pay for train tickets for the three of us back to Glasgow
Were still here
 
#19
Sadly, I'm not even surprised at any of this anymore.
I am rather tired of paying for any muppet who can get a foot through the door into the UK to have a nice cushy lifestyle, free healthcare and education though.
 
#20
It is a sad state affairs when our Fore Father fought until the death to prevent Britain being under Foreign Rulers.

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have a lot to answer for, however I lay the blame for "Breaking" Great Britain solely at Tony Blairs door.

Right I am off to the Mosque/Temple or wherever.

Magic
 

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