EU referendum promised by Hague

#3
Good.

I cannot wait to caste a vote AGAINT the unelected bureaucrats and the appointed trough wallowers of the European Soviet Union.

We were 'conned' by 'Traitor' Heath and it is time we put the record straight.

Out! Out! Out! Out! Out! and bollox to the French and the Germans and their centuries old desire to rule Europe!
 
#4
lsquared said:
Good.

I cannot wait to caste a vote AGAINT the unelected bureaucrats and the appointed trough wallowers of the European Soviet Union.

We were 'conned' by 'Traitor' Heath and it is time we put the record straight.

Out! Out! Out! Out! Out! and bollox to the French and the Germans and their centuries old desire to rule Europe!
Now why didn't You post this when the Lib Dems announced exactly the same policy?

:roll:
 
#6
old_cloudpuncher said:
...because we are not interested in your communist/socialist propaganda lies and crap. Crawl back under your stone, or emigrate to N Korea....
The clue is in the two words in the middle of My sentence - LIB DEM


You haven't been around long have You - don't worry, You'll get it right eventually.
 
#7
Sven said:
Now why didn't You link to this or this

The second from that bastion of the left, the financial Times
Because frankly mate, I couldn't care less. I'm not here to push anyone's agenda; the Tories have a long way to go before they convince me they'll make a useful gobment, but a vote on the European Soviet Union, with its 60 billion quid p.a input from Britain sounds like a good move. Particularly as the shower in charge at present promised one and then lied about the 'new' constitution.

BTW, what did come out of the Lib Dem conference?
 
#8
Perevodchik said:
Sven said:
Now why didn't You link to this or this

The second from that bastion of the left, the financial Times
Because frankly mate, I couldn't care less. I'm not here to push anyone's agenda; the Tories have a long way to go before they convince me they'll make a useful gobment, but a vote on the European Soviet Union, with its 60 billion quid p.a input from Britain sounds like a good move. Particularly as the shower in charge at present promised one and then lied about the 'new' constitution.

BTW, what did come out of the Lib Dem conference?
Do You REALLY want me to go off topic in that way - I get accused of deliberately sabotaging threads by responding to posts like this
 
#9
No I don't. If anything important had come out, we'd probably have heard by now. Given the fact that I had to ask, there probably wasn't anything.
 
#12
Sven said:
Now why didn't You link to this or this

The second from that bastion of the left, the financial Times
Just a wild guess here Sven, but could it be because neither of the stories you link to have anything to do with a referendum?

Sven said:
Now why didn't You post this when the Lib Dems announced exactly the same policy?
A slightly less wild guess now. Perhaps because nobody was listening. The Lib Dems are increasingly irrelevant at a national level. There is no prospect of the party ever forming a government again and even if they cling to another party's coat tails in a hung parliament, they'll be given no real power.

If Ming 'nice but dim' Campbell has to fight an election anytime soon, I reckon the Lib Dems will lose 3rd place in Parliament to the increasingly rampant SNP.

 
#13
Promises? Promises? Haven't we heard this before?

Question? Anyone here trust a politician with your wallet, your wife, your sister?

Sorry I forgot the Lib Dems, your boyfriend?
 
#14
Sven said:
old_cloudpuncher said:
...because we are not interested in your communist/socialist propaganda lies and crap. Crawl back under your stone, or emigrate to N Korea....
The clue is in the two words in the middle of My sentence - LIB DEM


You haven't been around long have You - don't worry, You'll get it right eventually.
Because I was referring to this:

Now why didn't You link to this or this

The second from that bastion of the left, the financial Times

so p*ss off
 
#15
Ancient_Mariner said:
A slightly less wild guess now. Perhaps because nobody was listening. The Lib Dems are increasingly irrelevant at a national level. There is no prospect of the party ever forming a government again and even if they cling to another party's coat tails in a hung parliament, they'll be given no real power.

If Ming 'nice but dim' Campbell has to fight an election anytime soon, I reckon the Lib Dems will lose 3rd place in Parliament to the increasingly rampant SNP.
Agreed. The Lib Dems serve the useful purpose of removing the inept and intellectually average from the political flow. That's all. To add insult to injury they select a hectoring schoolmaster for leader. Can't abide them.
 
#16
Ancient Mariner

My point was that the likes of CPuncher are only posting the upbeat stories about the Tories, I see my part as keeping them honest and bringing the Tories shortcomings into the equation.

And for a 'Nice but dim' personality, Menzies DID bring the referendum issue to the table before it came up in Blackpool. But You would rather ignore that. :roll:
 
#17
The Tories would garner even more votes if they simply stated a Tory government would withdraw from the EU. No referendum necessary. Clever, eh?
 
#18
From FT.com.

Sir Menzies Campbell, Liberal Democrat leader, on Tuesday took the heat off Gordon Brown over the revised European Union constitution, arguing that a referendum on the new treaty was “not necessary”.

Some Lib Dems have urged Sir Menzies to join forces with the Conservatives, some Labour backbenchers and the trade unions to create a formidable campaign for a national vote.

Lib Dem support for a poll could even have threatened Mr Brown’s Commons majority on the issue and piled on the pressure for a vote that many believe the prime minister would lose.

But Sir Menzies, a “pro-European”, told the Financial Times the new EU reform treaty was “sufficiently different” from the original constitution to avoid the need for a plebiscite. He said the only case for a public vote would be on a much broader “in or out” question about Britain’s membership of the EU, to prompt a serious national debate on Europe.

However, such a question is unlikely to be put by any government in the near future. “My judgment is a referendum is not necessary on this document,” he said in an interview ahead of next week’s Liberal Democrat conference in Brighton. “But if we were to have a referendum, then it is worth considering a more fundamental referendum, in a sense of being in or out.”

A formal decision on the party’s position will be taken after Mr Brown signs a final treaty text at an EU summit in Lisbon next month, but few believe it will differ greatly from the draft agreed in Brussels in June.

Never trust a Lib Dem.
 
#19
Yes Sven. And the doddering old bastard, just like Cyclops, believes the decision is far too important to be made by anyone outside Westminster. These people are taking the pi55. FFs, Menzies was alive and watching when this country last fought off the fecking Europeans - and now he and that scotch cnut want us to give it to them.

So, on the EU referendum, tarquin fintimlimbim -ftang -ftang- olay -biscuit barrel, of the very silly party, is no different to Comrade Brown, of The Party. Yes they raised the issue. Only to the point of being condescending bastards, and trying to pull the wool over our eyes ("it's not the Constitution renamed, honest"), and having the cheek to say the decision is too important for a referendum.
 
#20
Hague has offered Referendum on Treaty and all future treaties involving significant transfer of powers from Westminster. He would be expected to vote to keep most of those powers in Westminster.

Ming has offered a referendum only on leaving EU entirely. He would be expected to support continued EU membership and the ongoing transfer of powers.

Sven - you see these two as being 'exactly the same'. WHich is why most on this site regard you as a political nobber.

I can't help wondering whether you are employed by NuLabour to make the LibDems look like a bunch of idiots. If you're not, you're doing the job free of charge.
 

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