Eu head wants an EU army

NATO is not funded by the EU so there's nothing for it to remember.

Without NATO’s heavy lifters, the EU would have either a huge defence bill, or Russian tanks parked on their nice paid for by EU regional development fund lawns

The EU, spending its money on nice things for the house while someone else pays the maintenance,
 
Without NATO’s heavy lifters, the EU would have either a huge defence bill, or Russian tanks parked on their nice paid for by EU regional development fund lawns

The EU, spending its money on nice things for the house while someone else pays the maintenance,

The defence of EU members is a matter for each national Government. Your post almost suggests you think the EU should play a more active role in military matters.
 
The defence of EU members is a matter for each national Government. Your post almost suggests you think the EU should play a more active role in military matters.
Member states of NATO should play their part, financially and in spirit. Or do you disagree?
 
Member states of NATO should play their part, financially and in spirit. Or do you disagree?
Nah. Why live up to decades old commitments which have never been remotely met when they can create a completely unnecesary parallel command structure for troops they never intend to deploy. Clearly the priority here is titles, Marshal of the European Union has a natty ring to it.
 
Nah. Why live up to decades old commitments which have never been remotely met when they can create a completely unnecesary parallel command structure for troops they never intend to deploy. Clearly the priority here is titles, Marshal of the European Union has a natty ring to it.
Surely if we're suggesting the EU is getting all authoritarian, that should be Grand Marshal Of European Unoin Forces (GM OEUF), a probably toxic mutant that many will be suspicious of.
 
Glossary of summaries - EUR-Lex
Hmmmm....a few points in bold:
Following the Second World War, the Western European Union (WEU) and NATO were the main guarantors of European security. The Treaties for each of these organisations include a collective self-defence clause (Article V of the Treaty of Brussels establishing the WEU and Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty) in accordance with which the signatory countries have an obligation of mutual assistance in the case of aggression, in order to re-establish security.
In 2000, the WEU agreed to gradually transfer its capabilities and tasks to the EU's Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). It finally ceased to exist in June 2011.


The Lisbon Treaty incorporates in the rules applicable to the CSDP a collective self-defence clause (Article 42(7) of the Treaty on European Union). When an EU country is the target of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries must assist it by all the means in their power. Such commitments are to be consistent with the commitments made by EU countries as members of NATO.

https://assets.publishing.service.g.../uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.


Commitments and cooperation in this area shall be consistent with commitments under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which, for those States which are members of it, remains the foundation of their collective defence and the forum for its implementation.
 
I thought your contention is that this is not an issue as it won't happen. Do you still believe that?
It's most unlikely since it needs unanimous support by the sovereign Governments of each nation. There is little indication of such a move, though the loss of the UK's opposition (should the complicated and prolonged labour of Brexit actually result in a live birth) does make it slightly more likely.

Cooperation will, of course, continue.
 
Do you disagree or not, rather than dodging the question?
I've already said the EU is not engaged in military matters. That's an issue for each member state to decide whether they participate or not.

Which bit don't you understand?
 
I've already said the EU is not engaged in military matters. That's an issue for each member state to decide whether they participate or not.

Which bit don't you understand?
The bit where you ignore proposals for an EU military and then try to browbeat anyone who questions you.
 
The bit where you ignore proposals for an EU military and then try to browbeat anyone who questions you.
It's not a proposal, merely an aspiration, largely for political and diplomatic purposes. There is a difference.

Give me a shout when you see anything happening.
 

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It's most unlikely since it needs unanimous support by the sovereign Governments of each nation. There is little indication of such a move, though the loss of the UK's opposition (should the complicated and prolonged labour of Brexit actually result in a live birth) does make it slightly more likely.

Cooperation will, of course, continue.
So now I see the way ahead for the EU and it's Remainiac supporters - just blame everything on brexit for the next 50+ years! :rolleyes:
 
Not blaming anyone, prefer to look for opporchancity than recriminations.

I'm also a big fan of serendipity but it does rather depend on an awful lot of stuff taken for granted until it is no longer present.
 

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