EU Constitution

#1
Sorry if this has already been on but I read in the Daily Mail. It said that "The British Public could be denied a say over the European Dictatorship (Sorry Constitution). Apparently little penpushers at Bliar palace in Downing Strret said it was not necessary to hold a referendum. The German Chancellor has thrust this thing into the spotlight again as Germany is due to invade sorry take over Brussels when it gets the Euro Presidency (they're starting again?!?). Downing Street denied this (and why shouldnt we believe them apart from Iraq and every other crappy mess we are in). A spokesman added "We think the best European Constitution is a simple constitution." S o why the fcuk should we want to be part of something simple thought up by the simple for the simple and so lovingly supported by the simple you kn0brot.

Apologies to you all as I dont have the facility to provide a direct link.
 
#6
A German vision for Europe sounds familiar...
 
#8
There is a discreet battle between the modern go-ahead business minded europe, typified by the UK and many of the new countries, and the old europe who want to build the social agenda in europe, if the constitution is about advancement and business then bring it on, I will sign us up tomorrow.

However, the constitution could be hijacked by the french and their social model, which will slow business and perpetuate dinosaurs like the CAP. However the real danger is nation states using the refurendum as a vote of protest against their government or the EU, rather than as the opportunity to make europe the economic powerhouse of the world (dont laugh...), by applying the anglo-saxon model across 600m people.

IF there is a refurendum, we need to make sure the frogs dont hijack it, so we can make sure the anglo-saxon business model prevails, if the french get their way, and the social agenda is built into the eu by constitution then we should get out, and stay out.

Ratcatcher
 
#9
Given that one of the people responsible for drawing it up has been quoted as saying that there are limits to personal expression (freedom of thought and speech) then until I see it and get the chance to check every word- LOTS
 
#10
BoomShackerLacker said:
A German vision for Europe sounds familiar...
Behind on the curve on this one boom shacker,
It was Jerry who was against these wars we are involved in.
On this occasion it was us what wore the silly little moustaches and silly walked right into the shit storm.

These days when my German friends come round I keep hearing them mumble behind my back,
'Whatever you do don't mention the war.'

And when I ask the frogs I know whether they would like my help to win wars they keep losing, my oh so witty words are drowned out by roars of Gallic laughter.

So if the Europeans want to take us over all I can say is,
"Bring 'em on, Bring 'em on."
 
#11
Scabster_Mooch said:
What is your objection to the EU constitution?
The fact that in a democracy I can't have a vote. I have (sob story) served my country for 9 years and so I believe that I am entitled to have a say as to whether I want the Euro as my currency or the pound which I prefer.
 
#13
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
Scabster_Mooch said:
What is your objection to the EU constitution?
The fact that in a democracy I can't have a vote. I have (sob story) served my country for 9 years and so I believe that I am entitled to have a say as to whether I want the Euro as my currency or the pound which I prefer.
I believe the constitution says nothing about the pound or the euro. Further, you cannot run a country by referendum. You very recently had a vote in the last general elections so how can you say that you do not have a vote?

I think the reason ppl want a vote here is so that they can express an opinion on the EU in general. But surely the blame for the UK being in the EU lies in the Government of 1973?
 
#15
Well lets just think about what the EU means to your average, common all garden UK citizen. It means Increased immegration, it means scraping the Pound, it means more of "Brussels telling us what to do!". Now, until that perception is changed, and some positive arguments are put to the Sun and Mail readers, there isnt going to be a lot of support for an EU constitution
 
#16
It's a stinking, rotten, corrupt mess. The West Lothian Question has only the merest shades of the wrongness that is the European Project.

If you want to know just how much of a stitch up this really is for all the countries APART from France and Germany, you might want to read a book called The Great Deception - The Secret History of the European Union - by Christopher Booker and Doctor Richard North.

It is not some fanciful dip into history by soem anti-referendum group, it is a serious piece of work that names names and places and dates.

It will enlighten you to the fact that the EU was dreamt of before even WW1, and was being actively planned before WW2. This wasn't some clever idea that came about in the 60's.

The so-called EU constitution will indeed rubber stamp the rip-off that the French and Germins sewed together before they accepted our third request to join the common market.

I say fcuk the lot of 'em, get us the hell out.
 
#17
The EU is a Politicians Idea of ?
If the man in the street is given a choice their will be no EU state that the politicians want.
john
I have always said that One Day Europe should unite. However for some reason the Politicans want it Now.
The Euro was and is a mistake as the national economies are not in line. What is good for Germany is not correct for other smaller states.
I remember Ted Heath receiving a Tax Free Prize when he sign the papers to take UK into Europe, £50,000 back in the days when £50 K was something.
 
#18
Giblets said:
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The so-called EU constitution will indeed rubber stamp the rip-off that the French and Germins sewed together before they accepted our third request to join the common market.

I say fcuk the lot of 'em, get us the hell out.
But the constitution does no such thing does it? As mentioned earlier, most of the constitution is already in effect through various existing EU treaties.
 
#19
drain_sniffer said:
Well lets just think about what the EU means to your average, common all garden UK citizen. It means Increased immegration, it means scraping the Pound, it means more of "Brussels telling us what to do!". Now, until that perception is changed, and some positive arguments are put to the Sun and Mail readers, there isnt going to be a lot of support for an EU constitution
I agree. The EU seems to have done a very bad job in selling itself to the general public. Take the EU Constitution - surely an example of bad branding. I think there would be less vitriol directed against it had it been called something like 'The Treaty of Brussels', as previous treaties have been called. They should also scrap the stupid grandoise idea of having a preamble ala the american constitution.
 
#20
What people are (quite rightly) concerned with, is the formation of a United States of Europe. Any move towards a Constitution can only mean a step closer to this goal. History has shown that we are just to different for anything like this to work. If we are currently talking of the UK desolving, how can a US of E work?
 

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