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Ethnic cleansing?

#1
In the former Yugoslavia this was called ethnic cleansing. It's not the first time that such reports have come out of Iraq.

BBC said:
Police find 60 bodies in Baghdad

Sixty bodies have been found scattered across the Iraqi capital Baghdad, police there have said. A car bomb has also exploded near a Sunni mosque in a southern district of the city, killing 11 people. The bomb attack comes a day after 10 people were killed in a car bombing at a market in the capital. It also coincides with the release of new figures indicating that an estimated 300,000 Iraqis have fled their homes due to sectarian violence. Attacks have increased between Iraq's majority Shia Muslims and the Sunni minority, who dominated the country until the fall of Saddam Hussein.

Executions

The 60 bodies, who were all men, were found in various parts of the city over a 24-hour period, defence and interior ministry officials said on Tuesday. Many of them had been shot in the head at close range, execution-style. The victims also had their hands and feet bound and showed signs of torture - hallmarks of death-squad killings, the police said. Tuesday's bomb was placed under a car near a mosque in the district of Doura, killing 11 bystanders standing outside a bakery, police said. The bomb - which also injured at least four people - exploded at about 1100 GMT.

Displaced families

The sustained sectarian violence has seen more than 50,000 Sunni and Shiite families - around 300,000 people - flee their homes, according to figures released by Iraqi minister for migration, Dr Abd al-Samad Rahman. Some fled their homes after receiving direct threats while others simply felt threatened and moved to areas where their own sect predominates and they feel safer. The flight is continuing, especially in parts of Baghdad and Diyala province, north-east of the capital.

Full text here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6037243.stm
In the former Yugoslavia, different population groups were set against each other by mendacious political 'leaders' who were only thinking of their own personal power base - and bank balance! All groups were as bad as each other at committing the most horrendous criminal acts. It was a civil war in both deed and name. For reasons best known to the accusers themselves, one group was singled out for condemnation, and the conflict was classified as an agression of one state against others.

In Iraq, different population groups are set against each other by mendacious political 'leaders' who are only thinking of their own personal power base - and bank balance! All groups are as bad as each other at committing the most horrendous criminal acts. It is a civil war in both deed and name. For reasons best known to the themselves, coalition political leaders refuse to admit the reality of the situation and continue to pursue policies counter-productive to lasting peace and stability.

When are these dreadful events going to be called for what they really are?

When are those responsible going to be brought before a reputable law court to answer for their deeds?
 
#2
[align=center] 8O Sh*t man, sick the things that we find out about later on down the line! :( [/align]
 
#3
The religion of peace eh? You can't beat it!

Nice to see how they treat their "Brothers" isn't it?

I wonder what would happen if they ever got the Islamic state they seek in UK?
 
#4
merkator said:
In the former Yugoslavia this was called ethnic cleansing. It's not the first time that such reports have come out of Iraq.

BBC said:
Police find 60 bodies in Baghdad
Merkator, have you a time-machine? Though even without it anyone can easily predict what BBC could write 10 December 2006.
 
#5
KGB_resident said:
merkator said:
In the former Yugoslavia this was called ethnic cleansing. It's not the first time that such reports have come out of Iraq.

BBC said:
Police find 60 bodies in Baghdad
Merkator, have you a time-machine? Though even without it anyone can easily predict what BBC could write 10 December 2006.
Wait a couple of months for the snow to come and then check the BBC website to find out. :) :) :)
 
#9
Funny enough I've heard some of the Spams refer to terrorists in Iraq as "Satan" in much the same way as the VC got "Charlie".
 
#10
Ethnc cleansing another wonderful way of saying terrorism.
 
#11
And what about Neue Abeits policy of "Cultural Cleansing" aka Cultural Genocide? Mass murder is not the only way to destroy a people and their way of life. Mass immigration will have the same effect eventually.
 
#12
Biscuits_Brown said:
Funny enough I've heard some of the Spams refer to terrorists in Iraq as "Satan" in much the same way as the VC got "Charlie".
Well that nails it down. :roll:
 
#13
Arguably, these ethnic groups have existed alongside each other for nearly a century. Under a harsh totalitarian regime, the internal friction is suppressed, as are the subsequent resentments. Once the restraint is removed, old scores get settled.

With that in mind, Warrior_Poet makes an interesting point. For totalitarian regime, read moral blackmail and democratically arrived at legal constraints on expression and deeds. Is it possible that these frictions and resentments are festering behind the scenes inside our own dear country?
 
#14
Fascist Poet's inane ramblings aside :roll:
What factors are contributing to the sectarian strife/civil war? Is the major factor in Iraq that people are indirectly complicit in such killings as the Iraqi population in general has lost the feeling of existential security and are coalescing into primary groups in which the notion of security (whether real or imagined) can be advanced? This of course means that in the territorial space of the primary group, outsiders can not be permitted to remain as they pose a threat to group security?
Or is it more related to the fact that some some groups want civil war as they want to destroy the new power structure and ascertain primary dominance for their own group?
 
#16
Unfortunately, if we call a shovel a shovel and admit that this is ethnic cleansing, then just like in the Former Yugoslavia, we'll be morally obligated to send in troops to intervene and stop this from happ...

Um.

I'm sorry, my logic just broke.
 
#17
Hang on, let's have a look at this again ...

We went in promising theEarth - or at least a country free of oppression and terror, or I think that was what was implicitly expected - and in the first year or so in general the Coalition was extremely welcome and could do almost anything.

So where did it go wrong? Disbanding one of the largest armies in the world? Trigger happy gung-ho troops, poorly trained and in a culture with a strong history of blood feuding. Hell, I bet half the IEDs are revenge attacks. When I was there we spent half our time worrying about ambushes and IEDs and the other half worrying as to whether we'd got the protocal right as we approached bases with signs (in English!) saying 'Stop or you will be Shot', or suddenly finding ourselves behind a convoy with a nervous trigger man on the rear who knows if he fires there'll be no comeback.

Bitter? Not really, just sorry that some of the Iraqis I worked with, who would put most muslims in the UK to shame with their humanity, are stuck in a situation in which they have to make sure they approach a checkpoint knowing the correct Islamic quotes and share the guard duty at night to protect against marauding gangs.

Brilliant.

On a lighter note, they all **** off to Syria before marriage for jiggy-jiggy and drinky-drinky (off base). :roll:
 
#18
Escape-from-PPRuNe said:
Castereagh, have you been reading John Robb?
No, haven't even heard of Robb, who is he? Actually been reading Ronald Ingleheart's new article on 'Xenophobia and In group solidarity in Iraq'.
Has some very worrying conclusions on security situation in Iraq and how it may be impacting Iraqi civil society!
 

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