Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crash

[Le_addeur_noir]

Apologies if covered elsewhere.

Today sadly a Boeing 737-800 MAX has crashed with no survivors 8 minutes after take-off from Addis-Ababa airport.

'No survivors' in Ethiopia plane crash

RIP to all on board

Mods, feel free to close or move if this crash is covered elsewhere.

 

[Toastie]

Behind the Lion Air Crash, a Trail of Decisions Kept Pilots in the Dark

I wonder?

 

[Toastie]

Double post deleted

 

[redshift]

Apologies if covered elsewhere.

Today sadly a Boeing 737-800 MAX has crashed with no survivors 8 minutes after take-off from Addis-Ahaba airport.

'No survivors' in Ethiopia plane crash

RIP to all on board

Mods, feel free to close or move if this crash is covered elsewhere.

It's Addis Ababa BTW. And no it's not good that another 737 MAX crashed within 6 months.

 

[Provost]

The ARRSE Air Accidents Investigation Team will soon have this one squared away.

 

[Lardbeast]

Not a good airline IMO. Been saying they were due one for a couple of years now. Very sad.

 

[Toastie]

The ARRSE Air Accidents Investigation Team will soon have this one squared away.

 

[Joe_Private]

The ARRSE Air Accidents Investigation Team will soon have this one squared away.

Instrument fault.

 

[exbluejob]

The ARRSE Air Accidents Investigation Team will soon have this one squared away.

Not any info so cannot even make a supposition far less give the authoritative cause before 'other', snail like, investigators have reached the scene.
I'll be surprised if the 738 Max fleet is grounded as a precautionary measure.

 

[Provost]

Not any info so cannot even make a supposition

You're not really familiar with the ARRSE Air Accident Invesigation Team methodolgy, are you?

 

[Le_addeur_noir]

It's Addis Ababa BTW. And no it's not good that another 737 MAX crashed within 6 months.

That error will be edited tout suite.

The similarities to the Lion Air crash are disturbing. That jet departed Jakarta and was in the air for 13 minutes before crashing on an attempted return to the airport. The jet today again had taken-off and been in the air and had reached-according to comments on PPRuNe based on FR24 data-an altitude of some 8,000 feet before plunging out of the sky.

Ethiopian Airlines is a well-run airline, and has been despite the country going through a communist period in the Cold War, so this crash cannot easily be attributed to the airline, unlike allegations levelled at Lion Air.

There must have been a few rude awakenings of senior executives in Boeing this morning.

 

[exbluejob]

You're not really familiar with the ARRSE Air Accident Invesigation Team methodolgy, are you?

Very familiar but we do need a little something to go on before pulling stuff out of our arrse, otherwise we just look stupid.

 

[AsterixTG]

Is this the same airframe that had the anti-stall issue?

 

[Toastie]

That error will be edited tout suite.

The similarities to the Lion Air crash are disturbing. That jet departed Jakarta and was in the air for 12 minutes before crashing on an attempted return to the airport. The jet today again had taken-off and been in the air and had reached-according to comments on PPRuNe based on FR24 data-an altitude of some 8,000 feet before plunging out of the sky.

Ethiopian Airlines is a well-run airline, and has been despite the country going through a communist period in the Cold War, so this crash cannot easily be attributed to the airline, unlike allegations levelled at Loin Air.

There must have been a few rude awakenings of senior executives in Boeing this morning.

Certainly.

Initial indications are that vertical flight path control was severely compromised with direct correlation to Lion Air (system design rather than maintenance questions).

It’s not as if Boeing have history on redesigning flight control systems on the QT / Tombstone Legislation from certifying authorities now is it?

Lessons Learned

 

[Toastie]

Is this the same airframe that had the anti-stall issue?

Airframe design, yes.

 

[Le_addeur_noir]

Not a good airline IMO. Been saying they were due one for a couple of years now. Very sad.

Au contraire. Ethiopian Airlines are in the Star Alliance, so they will be subject to external audit.

Yes they have had a few losses over the years, the Boeing 767 hijacked back in 1996 for one, but that was a deliberate act.

They lost another Boeing 737-800 NG out of Beirut around 10 years ago, IIRC, weather related. Possibly a turboprop or two on domestic flights as well.

They've flown Boeings for years, right back to second hand Boeing 707/720s in the 1970s.

They now have a fleet of around 100 aircraft, including 787s and Airbus A350s.

 

[ExAuxBalloonCorps]

Icing.

 

[Toastie]

Very familiar but we do need a little something to go on before pulling stuff out of our arrse, otherwise we just look stupid.

Stop being silly. You have a professional interest, pitch in with some uninformed speculation, add a pinch of SME and a few techy bits and behold, Gospel.

 

[Mexeman]

Deleted, wrong thread.

 

[Toastie]

Au contraire. Ethiopian Airlines are in the Star Alliance, so they will be subject to external audit.

Yes they have had a few losses over the years, the Boeing 767 hijacked back in 1996 for one, but that was a deliberate act.

They lost another Boeing 737-800 NG out of Berut around 10 years ago, IIRC, weather related. Possibly a turboprop or two on domestic flights as well.

They've flown Boeings for years, right back to second hand Boeing 707/720s in the 1970s.

They now have a fleet of around 100 aircraft, including 787s and Airbus A350s.

And at least one of their pilots, whom I’ve known well for years is the consummate professional. They also operate to the UK and for all its faults, EASA get the licensing of foreign operators in EU airspace pretty much spot on. AFAIAA they’ve never been banned.