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Point of order. As any fool (journalist) knows, if it's painted grey, floats and has some sort of bang-stick, it's a battleship.
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/wah
That's a boat.
Point of order. As any fool (journalist) knows, if it's painted grey, floats and has some sort of bang-stick, it's a battleship.
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Boat-geek./wah
That's a boat.
Utter horseshit.
Ships that are given the correct maintenance/training/operation balance out perform the others*.
Given there is only one stag "escort" (ARGL, and even then she has female officers), I'd be interested in how your "mate" made that statistic up...
*Apart from ships/boats equipped with foxy Sub Lts and bags of chang.
As a child, I always had a thing for the Mk2 RS2000...
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Regards,
MM
Is 'Escorts' really the best collective term for 'Frigates and Destroyers'?
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OK, just re-brand the Frigates as ASW destroyers and we're sorted.
Escort McEscortface.
For all I (or apparently anyone else) cares...
Would it not be easier and more informative to describe them by relative size?
Very big boat.
Big boat.
Small boat.
Wee boat.
With sub divisions
Boat that is bigger than a Small boat but smaller than a Big boat etc.
Just a thought.
Mind you with the number of boats the RN has I'm surprised you need plurals I believe you have one each an escort, a frigate, a destroyer and some rigid raiders.
We have 11 boats currently. 4 SSBN and the other 7 SSNs.
Ohh you were talking about ships. Ok current fleet is at:
1 Ship of the line
2 Aircraft carriers (currently yet to become operational)
2 LPDs (alternatively rotated between operational and extended readiness)
6 destroyers (with 5 & 3/4 of those docked for fixing, from being broken since conception)
13 frigates (not sure how many are “training ships” or just not being used at all due to double crewing of others though.
7 OPVs with them now being forward based.
13 MCMVs
5 survey ships
16 P2000’s
And 1 static ship soon to be decommissioned.
Looking at numbers it looks like we still have a few, even if they’re not all big, working or have been to sea for centuries.
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What till they refloat HMS Victory, that'll show them we mean business.
You missed 13 ships you bloody white mafia bar steward!We have 11 boats currently. 4 SSBN and the other 7 SSNs.
Ohh you were talking about ships. Ok current fleet is at:
1 Ship of the line
2 Aircraft carriers (currently yet to become operational)
2 LPDs (alternatively rotated between operational and extended readiness)
6 destroyers (with 5 & 3/4 of those docked for fixing, from being broken since conception)
13 frigates (not sure how many are “training ships” or just not being used at all due to double crewing of others though.
7 OPVs with them now being forward based.
13 MCMVs
5 survey ships
16 P2000’s
And 1 static ship soon to be decommissioned.
Looking at numbers it looks like we still have a few, even if they’re not all big, working or have been to sea for centuries.
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What do you think the “ship of the line” meant
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You missed 13 ships you bloody white mafia bar steward!
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Or Dry Dock Warrior! On account of spending most of their time there!Or 'The bloody thing is broken down again'...
I don’t think that anyone is suggesting destroyers (DDGs), Frigates (FFGs) and other types of ‘escort’ (eg an SSN) cannot potentially operate and provide effect in isolation. However, a carrier cannot defend itself in isolation so it is an inevitability that some DDGs and FFGs WILL be ‘tied’ to the carrier.
So therein lies a key point: the RN - at best - has the minimum number of DDGs, FFGs and SSNs required to meet Defence Tasks (DT); in my view it actually has too few. Therefore, when one of the carrier’s deployed, a large proportion - and quite possibly the majority of available ’war-goers’ - will be tied to the carrier and will be restricted in what else they can do.
Therefore, perhaps the term ‘escort’ is appropriate. Ultimately however, who cares? Most fast jets are called ‘fighters’ and many AFVs are called ‘tanks.’ Indeed, the carrier itself could arguably referred to as an ‘escort’ when it’s contributing to ASW and AD with the ultimate aim of securing safe passage for friendly assets.
Regards,
MM