Equality or Indoctrination?

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  1. From the BBC

    Schools advised on race equality

    The report, by Ofsted inspectors, says England's schools can achieve great benefits by forging community links.

    And senior management should show that racism will not be tolerated, it says.

    Strong guidance and definitions of what constitutes a racist incident is helpful to teachers, the report says.

    Community involvement

    Heads of schools which have achieved a successful racial equality framework view the policy as "mainstream concept and no longer a bolt-on in education", the report continues.

    Schools should use the context of the local community as a teaching resource to learn about minority cultures and histories. Learning about racial equality could be used across the curriculum.

    Groups and classes for parents may be a way to foster parental involvement in their children's attainment and improving their own prospects, the report says.

    It commends a primary school which used guidance from another local authority which it found more appropriate to its circumstances, and another which tracked the behaviour and attainment of individual pupils from ethnic minority backgrounds and allocated resources according to its results.

    Ofsted's research focused on improving standards and achievement and the response of schools and further education colleges to the Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000.

    The Act obliges schools to promote equality among pupils and "improve the educational experience of all groups".

    The Department for Education and Skills guidance on race relations says schools should work to remove divisions and improve relationships between a school and its wider community.

    Schools must report any racist incident to the local education authority, and reduce any disparity between the number of exclusions between different ethnic groups.

    The Ofsted survey focused on 12 local education authorities and 50 schools in England considered to have effective policies.

    The report said that the Iraq war was cited by some schools for an increase in racist incidents over the past two years.


    A separate survey of 41 further education colleges found some were still failing to instigate change to improve racial equality.

    The report said that promotion of good race relations throughout the curriculum was "patchy".

    At management level, ethnic minority groups were still under-represented, the report said.

    The further education lecturers' union Natfhe said it agreed with the conclusions of Ofsted's report.

    Its equality official, Kate Heasman, said the union had been working in partnership with managements to get the Race Relations Amendment Act implemented in further education institutions.

    "A lot of good work has been done some colleges must show greater regard for the policies and procedures set out in the Act to ensure that black and ethnic minority staff are treated fairly.

    Ofsted director of education Miriam Rosen said: "The reports show what can be achieved when race issues are an integral part of the school and college curriculum.

    "There is still work to be done but the signs are good.

    "Children and young people need a chance to question, discuss and debate what can sometimes be difficult and contentious issues when they are at school or college."

    Hmmmm... The chances of children being able to discuss anything without it being reported as a racial incident are probably remote... am I the only one that finds this somewhat sinister?
  2. Er, in what way is it sinister? It seems quite sensible to set out rules for schools. Stops the random introduction of bizzare 'PC' rules by overbearing or idiotic headmasters (who are inclined to bring in some pretty weird rules if nothing is stipulated to them).
  3. A guy can stand in the road and say Im BLACK AND PROUD and he gets a pat on the back
    I stand in the road and say Im WHITE AND PROUD and i get six months. Too much wierd PC B*****ks going on
  4. Call me old mister suspicious but it all smacks of PC brainwashing, when schools can't even teach the 3R's properly (Sometimes as a result of devoting serious teaching recources to non english speakers) then do Headmasters need the added burden of the CRE thought police breathing down their necks? I want my children to learn to read and write, I want them to learn science and the History of OUR country, not the history of some 3rd world former colony that the occupants love so much they are all flooding here!... Old fashioned of me I guess! I want them learning decent human values, not the tenents of a foreign and alien religion or culture.
  5. Saw a link on the BBC
    The soon to be invested Bishop of York
    said that Britons should be proud of our heritage
    Not bad from the second in command of the English Church and a foreign born one at that.
  6. Britons should be proud of a heritage and nice of the 2IC to come out with it. I just have a nasty suspicion that kids will be taught how terrible all we celts and anglo saxons have been to all those peace loving cultures we dragged out of the stone age. I refuse to allow the imposition of alien values onto my people at least not without a debate as to why this is happening?
  7. Yawn. Stone Age alien cultures...oppressed Anglo-Celtics....non-English speaking students taking teaching time away from real English kids...brainwashinzzzzzznk.

    Herrenbloke, I'm as much a fan of British culture as anyone else or I wouldn't have agreed to move here and marry a serving British soldier. Them's the rules. But seriously. Your definitions of how British culture is and should be are getting tedious.

    Wouldn't you feel more at home sharing your thoughts with other likeminded folks on some BNP site? :roll:
  8. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4459252.stm

    "Dr John Sentamu, who will be enthroned as Archbishop of York next week, said a failure to rediscover English culture would fuel greater political extremism......

    ....Multiculturalism has seemed to imply, wrongly for me, 'Let other cultures be allowed to express themselves but do not let the majority culture at all tell us its glories, its struggles, its joys, its pains'".

    IMHO, lots of comon sense. Good lad
  9. Sad that only a Ugandan born minister feels he can say that in public.
    Like the sentiment though
  10. Brings a tear to the eye. Finally someone (of importance) said it.
  11. At first reading it sounds quite a sensible approach, in that school kids should be encouraged to explore and embrace their local community by helping them to experience and understand other peoples beliefs. This could be carried out by getting the kids involved in the community by helping at OAP homes, charities, religous institutions etc etc, but just watch what will happen when a muslim kid is asked to go visit a church or a synagogue 8O :?

    Upon second reading it does have some sinister undertones

    Does that mean that there will be a deliberate policy of using alternatives to exclusions for ethnic minorites just to make the figures look good? If so that's definitely the way to create racial harmony :roll:
  12. Thats the type of small minded PC rubbish that prevents us from having a decent debate on the subject of Britishness and our values. As soon as someone says "im proud to be British" they are ambushed with a hail of "RACISST!"

    Lets deal with the issue and push things forward, not drag our feet.
  13. cpunk

    cpunk LE Moderator

    Really? Perhaps you and Herrenbloke might want to point out where in the article it states that they aren't going to be taught about British values, or that Celtic and Anglo-Saxon culture is going to be denigrated? The answer is it doesn't, and its a classic tactic of racists to smear this kind of initiative with those innuendoes. As it happens, I'm Chairman of Governors at an inner city primary school where more than half of the children come from immigrant backgrounds. As a society, we have a choice with these kids: we can ignore their language difficulties, their culture and their ethnicity and expect them to muddle through, in which case, in reality, most will fall by the wayside and become entirely alienated from British society; or we can attempt to be inclusive, make allowances for their background and culture, make our society more welcoming for them and help them to transcend the difficulties that many face when they come to this country as immigrants, or are born into immigrant families. I can't see that this is going to do any harm.
  14. I agree. Let's deal with the issue at hand.

    I believe in integrating into British culture if you want to live here. It's only sensible. However, in this age of global communication and shortening distances, immigration patterns, etc., what is British culture now? And where is it going? It is never going to be an island of Celts and Saxons running around in furs raiding each other again. If Herrenbloke is uncomfortable with that, too bad.

    Because the ethnic composition has been irreversibly changed in today's Britain, and habits die hard, it seems that the rallying point should and could be strong British values.

    What are those values? As I've said before, those -- to me -- are those of decency, justice, fair play, social responsibility, willingness to sacrifice for convictions and respect for nature. Value in higher education seems to be growing, as well as the profile of those who do what were previously considered "uncouth jobs." The middle class is expanding and people are becoming more affluent (which does create its own problems). But all of these things are positives, things that anyone can get behind regardless of color or country of origin.

    "Proud to be British" is not what creeps people out. I think it's fantastic, and it's what my future family and I aspire to. Race should be a non-issue for adhering to British values. So where is the discussion, instead of just posting inflammatory stuff about how it's all a race conspiracy? Herrenbloke claims that's all he wants, and then starts ranting again.

    For the record, I would say the same thing to someone from another culture of origin if they came at me with the conspiracy-theorist line. Paranoids are boring.
  15. maninblack

    maninblack LE Book Reviewer

    A few years ago, Soninblack, then aged 4 and born in the USA with an American mother, was addressed in the school playground by another 4 year old with the following statement.

    "I hate Americans."

    This statement was uttered by a boy from a Pakistani family.

    Now the 4 year old who "hates Americans" could not have possibly thought up this policy himself.

    I went into the school office and booked an appointment with the head of the school to discuss the school's racism policy and how it should apply across the board for cases on mindless discrimination. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the head totally agreed with my view that this was a racially motivated comment and the child's parents were invited along to the school for a discussion about how the school has a racial policy that applies to all pupils and not just to those of a darker skin. Apparently the parents were asked to explain why "I hate Americans" is okay in their view whilst "I hate Pakistanis" would have them reaching for their lawyer?

    A 24 carat response from the school.