Entitlements on Posting

#2
Sorry but this is a bit of a rant and a bit of info for those about to move.

I'm just about to move from UK to Germany (over Xmas), and I've been told that I could not claim for the ferry to get my family across in our own car. Afte reading my special instructions which you put into the link, it tells you what you are entitled to. It says I am able to claim the ferry under private arrangements I just need the COs authority (which I now have), also if you read Regulations for Army Allowances and Charges (RAAC) Section 3 it also states that you can claim for, your private arrangements for travel on posting.

On asking at another admin office they tried telling me i couldn't claim, but after producing RAAC section 3 and my special instructions, their tune changed and said they do not tell people that, WHY? if it is what we are entitled to.

So far this move is going to cost us £1400 for such things as headlights, winter tyres (German Law), we also have to pay out the initial cost of 7 days in a hotel, 7 days of food (family of 4) the fuel across, so that will probaly push up to £2000 ish, at a guess we will probably be £300-£400 out of pocket onve all the claims have gone in, we don't get our disturbance till end of December (the day we move) which would of helped out a great deal if we had it at the start, why is there such a delay on paying it why can't it be paid in like any other claim 2 - 3 days?

What other things am I able to claim for? so far its £26.28 per day per person on food (is that the same as overseas) , mma from home to the port of exit (not stanstead) mma from entry to unit, the seven nights hotel 3 here and 4 overseas.
I was told (By our clerks) that the ferry and all car related costs are factored into LOA.
 
#3
You can put in for an advance of claim for the hotel and food through JPA. It isn't for the entire amount and be sensible when estimating what you will actually spend on food. I believe the food rates are higher in Germany but speak to a clerk who will be able to tell you exactly what it is.

Headlights and tyres are part of what LOA funds - however you will have a period of grace before you need these.

Learn the lesson about Disturbance for your next move. You need to make sure you submit the claim in time for it to hit your pay statement before you move and not expect it to be processed like a normal JPA claim.

What annoys me is that people are not being told about advances of claims.
 
#4
Sorry but this is a bit of a rant and a bit of info for those about to move.

I'm just about to move from UK to Germany (over Xmas), and I've been told that I could not claim for the ferry to get my family across in our own car. Afte reading my special instructions which you put into the link, it tells you what you are entitled to. It says I am able to claim the ferry under private arrangements I just need the COs authority (which I now have), also if you read Regulations for Army Allowances and Charges (RAAC) Section 3 it also states that you can claim for, your private arrangements for travel on posting.

On asking at another admin office they tried telling me i couldn't claim, but after producing RAAC section 3 and my special instructions, their tune changed and said they do not tell people that, WHY? if it is what we are entitled to.

So far this move is going to cost us £1400 for such things as headlights, winter tyres (German Law), we also have to pay out the initial cost of 7 days in a hotel, 7 days of food (family of 4) the fuel across, so that will probaly push up to £2000 ish, at a guess we will probably be £300-£400 out of pocket onve all the claims have gone in, we don't get our disturbance till end of December (the day we move) which would of helped out a great deal if we had it at the start, why is there such a delay on paying it why can't it be paid in like any other claim 2 - 3 days?

What other things am I able to claim for? so far its £26.28 per day per person on food (is that the same as overseas) , mma from home to the port of exit (not stanstead) mma from entry to unit, the seven nights hotel 3 here and 4 overseas.
The RAAC went out with the Chieftain Tank fella. Read JSP 752 instead.

You can claim for an advance for the journey

MMA from posting to Birmingham airport then Hannover or Paderborn to your Garrison, providing no military buses or welfare to pick you up *Notional journey

Disturbance you can put in for 6 weeks before you move

You have the choice to move into the units welfare flat opposed to the hotel.

Tyres and headlights are a matter of course if you want the benefits of tax free fuel
 
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darkside47

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#5
Thanks to the replies, the jsp and the RAAC where both mentioned in the spec instructions. The disturbance I know I can claim 6 weeks in advance however due to me moving out on the 30th Dec the earliest I can apply is 18 Nov (after the pay run) and by the time it is authorised as well can make it the 20th, so it didn't matter when I applied for it. I also know that loa will eventually pay for lights and tyres and a period of grace which is 30 days, but due to pre-deployment training straight away gives me 5-10 days to get the car ready so will need to pay out up front which will take. With being preoccupied with the move the Advance completley slipped my mind, so thanks for the reminder
 
#6
Keep an eye on notice boards and the military newspapers for second hand headlights, they won't cost that much. You might even be able to get hold of winter tyres with wheels (which saves a big pain in the arse).
 
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darkside47

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#7
special intructions http://www.ms.dii.r.mil.uk/jpa/assign/index.htm numbers 1 para f,12, 146 they all mention RAAC, jsp 752 is only mentioned in the LOA section, instruction 187

An extract - literally says the same as RAAC
JSP 752
CHAPTER 4
SECTION 10
PRIVATELY ARRANGED PASSAGE

04.1006. Eligible Journeys. A Service person, and where appropriate their immediate family, if they are entitled to be conveyed at public expense, may seek permission to travel by a PAP when they are due to undertake one of the following journeys:
a. Service personnel and/or immediate families:
(1) From a UK duty station to an overseas duty station on assignment (permanent or temporary); or
(2) To a new UK or overseas duty station on completion of an overseas assignment (permanent or temporary); or
 
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darkside47

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#8
I was told (By our clerks) that the ferry and all car related costs are factored into LOA.
But what they don't tell you is that you are entitled, JSP 752 chap 4 section 10, you just need COs permission Annnex A of sect 10.
I found that out when I confronted them with it, they where a bit flustered. The majority of people do not read their special instructions, it gives you your leave entitlement for moving. On my last assignment order it said I was entitled to 1 day leave to move because I was going to another service.
 

TheresaMay

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DirtyBAT
#9
Rather than start a new thread (and also on the subject of posting entitlements) - here's another teaser if anyone's clued-up enough to give a confident answer...

Due posting next month, over 50 miles away, serving MUA because we managed to retain MQ here as I may end up getting posted on promotion (fingers X'd) and could be posted twice in 11 months.

So... according to my own interpretation of the JSP 752 I can whack in a bog standard £80-odd DA claim (moving to SLA) as the DA principle is based around the service person, and not that of his or her immediate family.

But as we know - different pay staff interpret the JSP in different ways. So would anyone care to voice their opinions on the following:

A. I'm gonna pass 'Go', collect my £80-odd and use it to sort my new phone line out and tin of paint for my new shoe-box of a room.

B. I'm going directly to jail. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect £200.
 
#10
special intructions http://www.ms.dii.r.mil.uk/jpa/assign/index.htm numbers 1 para f,12, 146 they all mention RAAC, jsp 752 is only mentioned in the LOA section, instruction 187

An extract - literally says the same as RAAC
JSP 752
CHAPTER 4
SECTION 10
PRIVATELY ARRANGED PASSAGE

04.1006. Eligible Journeys. A Service person, and where appropriate their immediate family, if they are entitled to be conveyed at public expense, may seek permission to travel by a PAP when they are due to undertake one of the following journeys:
a. Service personnel and/or immediate families:
(1) From a UK duty station to an overseas duty station on assignment (permanent or temporary); or
(2) To a new UK or overseas duty station on completion of an overseas assignment (permanent or temporary); or
Try reading all of it!!!

04.1006. Eligible Journeys. A Service person, and where appropriate their immediate family, if they are entitled to be conveyed at public expense, may seek permission to travel by a PAP when they are due to undertake one of the following journeys:

a. Service personnel and/or immediate families:

(1) From a UK duty station to an overseas duty station on assignment (permanent or temporary); or

(2) To a new UK or overseas duty station on completion of an overseas assignment (permanent or temporary); or

(3) As outlined in sub-paragraphs 04.1006a(1) and a(2) but with an associated leave journey included.

(4) Moves on retirement or discharge or transfer to the Reserve, to a place of their choice other than in the UK provided, in the case of a Reservist, that they normally live overseas.
b. Immediate families only:

(1) When they are necessarily being returned to the UK other than on assignment (eg in the event of sickness or change of PStat Cat).

(2) When they are moving from overseas to rejoin their Service spouse/civil partner/parent at a new duty station when the immediate family had previously moved overseas at private expense. In this event, the Service spouse/civil partner/parent would have already moved to the new duty station.

INELIGIBILITY

04.1007. Travel to/from Germany. Service personnel and immediate family, travelling to or from a location in Germany served by the trooper, are ineligible for PAP refunds.
 
#11
Rather than start a new thread (and also on the subject of posting entitlements) - here's another teaser if anyone's clued-up enough to give a confident answer...

Due posting next month, over 50 miles away, serving MUA because we managed to retain MQ here as I may end up getting posted on promotion (fingers X'd) and could be posted twice in 11 months.

So... according to my own interpretation of the JSP 752 I can whack in a bog standard £80-odd DA claim (moving to SLA) as the DA principle is based around the service person, and not that of his or her immediate family.

But as we know - different pay staff interpret the JSP in different ways. So would anyone care to voice their opinions on the following:

A. I'm gonna pass 'Go', collect my £80-odd and use it to sort my new phone line out and tin of paint for my new shoe-box of a room.

B. I'm going directly to jail. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect £200.
You are moving into Single Accn, so you are entitled to Single DA Rates, as long as you are ordered to "move in writing" (Assignment Order)
 
#12
Thanks to the replies, the jsp and the RAAC where both mentioned in the spec instructions. The disturbance I know I can claim 6 weeks in advance however due to me moving out on the 30th Dec the earliest I can apply is 18 Nov (after the pay run) and by the time it is authorised as well can make it the 20th, so it didn't matter when I applied for it. I also know that loa will eventually pay for lights and tyres and a period of grace which is 30 days, but due to pre-deployment training straight away gives me 5-10 days to get the car ready so will need to pay out up front which will take. With being preoccupied with the move the Advance completley slipped my mind, so thanks for the reminder
The day your movers arrive to start packing your house up could also be used as your 'Date of Move', but to be honest I would advise you to be more creative with your dates to ensure that you have your Disturbance before you go, not once you have gone.

I would also get the Winter Tyres in the UK, as they are like rocking horse poo over here at the moment (and not cheap either!!)
 
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darkside47

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#13
I didn't get the assignment order until 17 November so couldn't really be creative with dates, which gave me 6 weeks notice to move, over xmas.

The ferry is all paid for now as welfare and movements got it all sorted. Just got to put in the advance for £900 for the hotel.

Thanks for all answers, hope you have Merry Christmas
 

TheresaMay

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DirtyBAT
#14
Cheers DLS - always on the ball.

Yes - got my Assignment Order back in April would you believe? Again, if I'm correct in my interpretation, it's a one-way thing too - i.e. I wouldn't be able to claim to move back into the SFA already occupied by the trouble an' strife in say, 10 months time.
 
#15
That would be stretching the regulations a little too far in my opinion as you are not really incurring any costs that Disturbance is supposed to cover.
 
#16
I am in the same boat. Am driving over as have a dog, car and 11 month old.

Even though I have no furniture or house for 4 nights I can only claim for accommodation in the locale of my current and receiving duty station. My issue is that the drive from current to receiving station is 1200 km; even without the baby and dog I couldn't do it safely in a day.

Utterly bonkers JSP which allows PAP for overseas posting (does that include Cyprus, FI which are served by a trooper?) but not Germany - can only be a cost saving thing.

Your comment on the LOA would be valid if the LOA rates were any good, especially if your wife had a well paid job and had to take a career break to move out with you.

GBTD
 

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