Enlisting as an officer- the rough guide

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#3
This is a very good guide, link already passed to one member of clan jeep. Just seems a pity that the MOD haven't put this sort of thing together rather than rely on a motivated recruiter.

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#5
Thankyou for this; exactly what I needed.

Where it says you need A-Levels; is that A levels or are AS Level passes ok? I'd assume not but just checking.

Thanks, great guide :)
 
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Bordtea said:
Where it says you need A-Levels; is that A levels or are AS Level passes ok? I'd assume not but just checking.
I'll be brutally honest, I don't know. I joined up aged 16 straight after secondary school, and to be truthful I don't know the difference between A levels and AS levels. If I were you, I'd click the link for the officers forum in the first post and do a search, I would be suprised if the answer cannot be found in there.
 
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young_lofty said:
Bordtea said:
Where it says you need A-Levels; is that A levels or are AS Level passes ok? I'd assume not but just checking.
I'll be brutally honest, I don't know. I joined up aged 16 straight after secondary school, and to be truthful I don't know the difference between A levels and AS levels. If I were you, I'd click the link for the officers forum in the first post and do a search, I would be suprised if the answer cannot be found in there.
Okey dokey. Thanks for your help :)
 
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young_lofty said:
The minimum academic grades required are as follows- 7 GCSE passes at grade C or higher, including English language, maths and a either a science or foreign language. In addition, you must have a minimum of 180 UCAS points*,
Negative, 5 Grade C GCSE inc Maths and English or equivalent (this includes the Government backed Certificates in Adult Numeracy and Literacy), no science or language is required (but they like it)

150 UCAS points is minimum

Trust me, this will suffice for the CV and get you to Briefing if you've got a bit of 'life experience'.
 
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Bordtea said:
Thankyou for this; exactly what I needed.

Where it says you need A-Levels; is that A levels or are AS Level passes ok? I'd assume not but just checking.

Thanks, great guide :)
When I left the TA and tried to go regs, my application was rejected as the only take A levels which are D or above. They also except certain other qualifications but they dont accept all of those stated on the UCAS website.

Just to add that even though ucas points are designed to allow entry to university, degrees or masters degrees do not count towards UCAS points even though they are higher qualifications. Im still waiting for an answer as to why that is.
 
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sarge_massage_my_passage said:
young_lofty said:
The minimum academic grades required are as follows- 7 GCSE passes at grade C or higher, including English language, maths and a either a science or foreign language. In addition, you must have a minimum of 180 UCAS points*,
Negative, 5 Grade C GCSE inc Maths and English or equivalent (this includes the Government backed Certificates in Adult Numeracy and Literacy), no science or language is required (but they like it)

150 UCAS points is minimum

I have 170 UCAS points and still got told no. Although mine are made up of NVQs one good and one dodgy a level and an as level.

Trust me, this will suffice for the CV and get you to Briefing if you've got a bit of 'life experience'.
 
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Nutter said:
Just to add that even though ucas points are designed to allow entry to university, degrees or masters degrees do not count towards UCAS points even though they are higher qualifications. Im still waiting for an answer as to why that is.
Technically, you're right, but then your comment is like saying, "A levels are classed as a 'higher' echelon than degrees", we know this isn't the case but as long as you are nearing the end of your degree, and have the points towards your degree (300 points for foundation degree, 360 for degree (Hons) then you should be fine...

Nutter said:
I have 170 UCAS points and still got told no. Although mine are made up of NVQs one good and one dodgy a level and an as level.
This last comment shed's more light as to why you're 170 isn't ticking the boxes. Look, AOSB will let certain things slide in lieu of other benefits that you can bring to the service. You've admitted that your points consist of NVQ's, a 'dodgy' (?) A level plus one A/S level. You can get points for getting crap scores, the scores are still looked at by AOSB's Education Officer.

Points don't always win prizes, substance can count for more. It's obvious that the subjects that you've undertaken don't give them a warm fuzzy feeling.
 
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sarge_massage_my_passage said:
Nutter said:
Just to add that even though ucas points are designed to allow entry to university, degrees or masters degrees do not count towards UCAS points even though they are higher qualifications. Im still waiting for an answer as to why that is.
Technically, you're right, but then your comment is like saying, "A levels are classed as a 'higher' echelon than degrees", we know this isn't the case but as long as you are nearing the end of your degree, and have the points towards your degree (300 points for foundation degree, 360 for degree (Hons) then you should be fine...

Nutter said:
I have 170 UCAS points and still got told no. Although mine are made up of NVQs one good and one dodgy a level and an as level.
This last comment shed's more light as to why you're 170 isn't ticking the boxes. Look, AOSB will let certain things slide in lieu of other benefits that you can bring to the service. You've admitted that your points consist of NVQ's, a 'dodgy' (?) A level plus one A/S level. You can get points for getting crap scores, the scores are still looked at by AOSB's Education Officer.

Points don't always win prizes, substance can count for more. It's obvious that the subjects that you've undertaken don't give them a warm fuzzy feeling.
Your proberbly right, I blame the booze for my above mongness. Still my dodgy a levels got me my degree and postgrad.

Just one point. I didnt say A levels were higher then a degree, I was told that by the guy who phoned me from the AFCO who had been told that by those on a higher payscale.
 
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Nutter said:
Just one point. I didnt say A levels were higher then a degree, I was told that by the guy who phoned me from the AFCO who had been told that by those on a higher payscale.
I know you never said it like that, I was just trying to emphasise a point. Listen, if you're still interested in a Commission there are other routes:

Why not join the TA - stay with me here - and after a couple of months ask to apply for a Commission in the TA. You'll go through the same processes as regular Potential Officers (PO's) which will give you a good heads up, you'll also be doing activities that appeal to the AOSB and proving your worth with recommendations from senior Officers.

OR, join the ranks:

Soldiers with very little GCSE's get through the Commissioning process because someone has identified that, even though they don't have the 'all singing all dancing educational pieces of paper', they've got something about them. They get onto the selection boards to be an Officer because they'd have proven themselves worthy in a working enviroment.

OR

Do another A level/required GCSE's, get yourself onto the Duke of Edinburgh if you're young enough, do some voluntary work etc. You could do all this sort of thing for a year and you'd stand a much better chance.

There's always a way, ask the AFCO what you need to do.
 
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sarge_massage_my_passage said:
Nutter said:
Just one point. I didnt say A levels were higher then a degree, I was told that by the guy who phoned me from the AFCO who had been told that by those on a higher payscale.
I know you never said it like that, I was just trying to emphasise a point. Listen, if you're still interested in a Commission there are other routes:

Why not join the TA - stay with me here - and after a couple of months ask to apply for a Commission in the TA. You'll go through the same processes as regular Potential Officers (PO's) which will give you a good heads up, you'll also be doing activities that appeal to the AOSB and proving your worth with recommendations from senior Officers.

OR, join the ranks:

Soldiers with very little GCSE's get through the Commissioning process because someone has identified that, even though they don't have the 'all singing all dancing educational pieces of paper', they've got something about them. They get onto the selection boards to be an Officer because they'd have proven themselves worthy in a working enviroment.

OR

Do another A level/required GCSE's, get yourself onto the Duke of Edinburgh if you're young enough, do some voluntary work etc. You could do all this sort of thing for a year and you'd stand a much better chance.

There's always a way, ask the AFCO what you need to do.
Cheers, great post mate. Should be useful for those who are in the same boat as me and dont quite make the entry.
 
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sarge_massage_my_passage said:
Nutter said:
Just one point. I didnt say A levels were higher then a degree, I was told that by the guy who phoned me from the AFCO who had been told that by those on a higher payscale.
I know you never said it like that, I was just trying to emphasise a point. Listen, if you're still interested in a Commission there are other routes:

Why not join the TA - stay with me here - and after a couple of months ask to apply for a Commission in the TA. You'll go through the same processes as regular Potential Officers (PO's) which will give you a good heads up, you'll also be doing activities that appeal to the AOSB and proving your worth with recommendations from senior Officers.

OR, join the ranks:

Soldiers with very little GCSE's get through the Commissioning process because someone has identified that, even though they don't have the 'all singing all dancing educational pieces of paper', they've got something about them. They get onto the selection boards to be an Officer because they'd have proven themselves worthy in a working enviroment.

OR

Do another A level/required GCSE's, get yourself onto the Duke of Edinburgh if you're young enough, do some voluntary work etc. You could do all this sort of thing for a year and you'd stand a much better chance.

There's always a way, ask the AFCO what you need to do.
Not to hijack the thread and line of thought.

I'm 26 as of last month and attempted the main board last November. I failed that attempt but it was a encourage to try again failure.
I have joined the TA with RT week 1 in a few weeks, hopefully finishing the training process by October (including the 2 week CIC). I obviously want to attempt and pass the second main board, but I'm not 100% sure if I should stay in the TA for 1-2 years before attempting it again (pushing to 28 1/2). With that in mind, based on quite a bit of input it has been suggested by a few people on ARRSE whom I and other respect, that I make the most of the soldier route and re attempt the mainboard next year.
What would your input be in this case? I have made my intentions clear to the regiment I am joining, but would staying longer and going through the TA commissioning process be a better idea (if that is even a option, based on my age and intention)? Or stay as a soldier for longer, or just attempt AOSB again at some point next year (hoping for the May intake)?
 
#17
Hi,
Just to clarify, what's the time taken from enlistment to posting in theatre?
44 weeks training you stipulate, how much longer than that?

Thanks for your time.
 
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Ian1983 said:
I'm 26 as of last month and attempted the main board last November. I failed that attempt but it was a encourage to try again failure.
... but I'm not 100% sure if I should stay in the TA for 1-2 years before attempting it again (pushing to 28 1/2). ...
Part of the answer lies in why you didn't get through this time - I'm presuming you got a sensible answer as to why? Given your advanced age (hah hah hah hah ...) I'd probably look for a year to work on whatever stopped you this time and allow yourself time for another shot at it if next time doesn't work.

PS. If you're determined enough, even 'limits' can stretch a bit on occasion.
 
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sarge_massage_my_passage said:
Negative, 5 Grade C GCSE inc Maths and English or equivalent (this includes the Government backed Certificates in Adult Numeracy and Literacy), no science or language is required (but they like it)

150 UCAS points is minimum
Trust me, this will suffice for the CV and get you to Briefing if you've got a bit of 'life experience'.
Trust me it would be better not to listen to incorrect and ill informed conjecture.

Young Lofty was correct - according to the Army!

Army entry requirements

Speaking to friends the whole thing is slightly variable, to take into account serving soldiers and those who have done other things. I was advised to speak to my ACA and would advise others to do the same.
 
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Excognito said:
Ian1983 said:
I'm 26 as of last month and attempted the main board last November. I failed that attempt but it was a encourage to try again failure.
... but I'm not 100% sure if I should stay in the TA for 1-2 years before attempting it again (pushing to 28 1/2). ...
Part of the answer lies in why you didn't get through this time - I'm presuming you got a sensible answer as to why? Given your advanced age (hah hah hah hah ...) I'd probably look for a year to work on whatever stopped you this time and allow yourself time for another shot at it if next time doesn't work.

PS. If you're determined enough, even 'limits' can stretch a bit on occasion.
Sorry about the delay

Yes I got a sensible answer. I agree with some of the issues raised (some not so much, but swings and round abouts), but I respect the input and as such I'm working on those weaknesses highlighted. I've joined the TA as a private and have my first RT weekend in 2 days time for example and at some point this year I'm hoping to spend a few weeks in france travelling and doings some volunteering work.
I think it was a attitude issue for my own failure. I took it a bit 'too' relaxed (an example on the final day for the closing race the bib was still covered in mud from the assault course the day before).


I appreciate the laughter at my age concern though. Never have I felt so old as when I started the application process at a ripe old age of 25.

edit- I think the only thing that really shined through for me was my people skills. God knows it wasn't my analytical skills in the form of the planning exercise.
 

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