Enjoying a May Roast

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"It's a detailed blueprint. On fitness, for instance, Mr Winsor spells out exactly what exercises would be required under the more rigorous tests he wants to see in 2018 - crawling, stair-climbing, cone-lifting, to name but three."

Versus ice-cream-cone licking...

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The reforms proposed (re. Fitness test) aren't that controversial. However those services that waive their right to strike expect, rightly, not to face a drop in their terms and conditions.

That's why Mrs May needs to tread carefully. Law and order is traditionally the Tories strong suit, if they're seen as losing a grip then winning the next election will be an impossibility.
 

ugly

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Well personally I think the fed are missing a really big and easy opportunity to prove the Tories as useless and crooks. The fact that the terms of the Winsor report are probably set to prove the only way to save money is to leave the non operational fat management alone (ensuring meek compliance and loyalty) whilst cutting the front line are possibly easy enough to prove and should be challenged in court as not independant. Winsor works for the firm of solicitors that advise G4S who are bidding for privatised police work in the east midlands.
If the fed drop the ball here then the plod will get shafted and it will be their own fault!
The chance for massive reform is here and it could after all be another political con.
Govts of every hue have form for threatening massive cuts or increases in taxes then allegedly relenting and implementing seemingly minimal cuts/inceases. Look at the fuel duty escalator for a prime example of this trick.
My money is on a massive turn around, cuts to senior officers and wholesale amalgamations and long overdue too!
From Force to service is a joke as they certainly dont deliver what the public think they pay for so the public dont really give a toss if a fat copper is sacked for a bad back or loses his pension rights for being an unfit knacker!
For the Govt its win win as the option is to give contracts to the companies that pay their bills!
 
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did you seee on the news the little old lady who shouted at May as she left her car?
held back by one protection officer, but how did she get past the security cordon in the first place?
 
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I would liked to have seen plod at the conference just ignore her as she left and her walk out in total silence,that would have freaked her out more than the verbal abuse she got!
 
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Fitness is simple,sell the extensive car fleet,get the lazy ******* back on the beat,that'll improve their fitness,they might like to attempt the odd jog now and then,which will improve it even more!

I actually saw two coppers yesterday,first time in about 4 weeks,they had parked their van (at no cost),in Ashford Designer Outlet,and were ****ing shopping,cost effective policing,yeah right,no sympathy,I want coppers that will give Usain Bolt a run for his money,and I want them on the streets,I don't want chubby twats,that take size 40 waist trousers!

Think about it,coastal erosion is shrinking the Island,we have more coppers now,than ever before,and we see less of them,where are they hiding! :meditate:
 
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ugly

LE
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There is no prescedent which calls for Govts to implement findings of enquiries, in fact there are more cases of them being overturned and new ones started. If cost cutting was the plan then starting at the bottom was the wrong thing to do. The rank and file Peelers no longer support their management, lets face it senior plod haent enjoyed the support and trust of their rank and file for a long time, Graduate entry destroyed that a long time ago!
May could achieve all of the cost savings and more but it wouldnt allow privatised plod in the door which is where the Tory bank roll is coming from. Regionalise the forces, single HR, procurement and central services, do away with Chief constables, they arent needed!
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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IMHO, the Police Federation shot themselves in the foot with that performance - if someone's going to engage, the least you do is give them a fair hearing, whichever side of the political divide. Hopefully the head of the Police Federation will now be forced to sit in front of a banner saying "All policemen are racist pigs" - then maybe he''ll realise how crass he and his advisers have been.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
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It would be funny if they were all nicked for public order offences!
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
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It would be funny if they were all nicked for public order offences!
Looking at the audience, it's probably why the government wants to tax the sh1t out of fat f@ckers.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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Regionalise the forces, single HR, procurement and central services, do away with Chief constables, they arent needed!
Regionalisation will be fought off for the same reason that amalgamations are (I know, I said this elsewhere) for the simple reason that it will kill off a lot of hopeful management careers. You could cull right down to the minimum. Single HR would create the same scenario amongst the civil service. As for centralised services, well that's happening now, however in doing so they will prove to be an attractive target for privatisation. Take Scientific Support for instance. That Dept has already been civilianised so change is no great problem there. It's also one of the most expensive resources under the Force budget. Why not privatise it? Save a lot of money initially. I say initially as like every other initiative, it would gradually become more and more expensive, but that would be a problem for a future Government, not the one today, some of whose members would stand to cash in longer term. G4S and Servoca could run it and charge for the privilege. They already provide long and short term contracts to the police, so they have experience in recruitment. Once centralised, cull the management. Farther along the road re-negotiate contracts. There's an abundance of unemployed forensic scientists and graduates out there who'll work for you. The old school will gradually die off as did the old coppers who did the job before civilianisation. Wages will be lower and why provide vehicles when it's cheaper to insist upon essential car user and pay mileage. That department alone is probably the most ideal target for privatisation and there are people out there already looking at it for that purpose. ACME Scenes of Crime...is definitely the future, just let the police management do the leg work for the private companies by centralising the resources first.

What about CID? Easily privatised. There are enough retired coppers out there at varying ranks and experience who'll work for less than the current incumbents as they are in receipt of a pension which they can 'top up' (that actually features on some adverts). There's a recession on so why not go back to what you used to do for a while? Your in your early 50s and besides it's money for old rope. There are plenty Forces out there who are already employing civilian investigators (under different titles) in CID Offices, Professional Standards, Custody Areas and Financial Crime. The actual investigation part of policing doesn't actually need a policeman. This has already been recognised. In some areas I actually agree with it, but not all. If you look at PCSOs, they haven't been the success story that we've been fed. How far would privatisation go if, as and when it occurs?

Whilst there are many roles in the Police which can be done by civilians, I want a copper at my door if I've got a problem, not a G4S employee. The cops are getting shafted left, right and centre but once this Government have ridden rough shod over them, it's the general public who will suffer in the longer term. There's no way that the next Labour government will reverse any money saving initiative created by this lot. At the end of the day, it'll be us who will pay for the decisions that this current Government make concerning the police today.

Forget all the 'fat bastard' stuff, it's just a smoke screen. That chap who's been making all of the recommendations....?

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FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
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(snip)
Whilst there are many roles in the Police which can be done by civilians, I want a copper at my door if I've got a problem, not a G4S employee. The cops are getting shafted left, right and centre but once this Government ride rough shod over them, it's the general public who will suffer in the longer term. There's no way that the next Labour government will reverse any money saving initiative created by this lot. At the end of the day, it'll be us who will pay for the decisions that this current Government make concerning the police today. Forget all the 'fat bastard' stuff, it's just a smoke screen.
For what they do, the police are incredibly well paid and very well looked after and have been since they were Maggie's item of choice for punching miners. I'm very happy to modify my view but only condition that today's whingers agree that I can scrutinise their budgets for waste and that they forgo their pensions in their entirety if I find any. Let's start with all the Met Police (60 of them I believe) running round with the Olympic Torch, then we'll move on to the E + D box tickers required by aspiring middle management plod for their next promotion.
 
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I think your right about the fat coppers bit being a smoke screen. It’s all well and good talking about kicking them out if they fail a fitness test. In all honesty what’s the real chance of this? If the army actually did this, it would be down to the required 82,000 in no time.
The truth is the Police federation have become too powerful for the politicos likening, but they have been unwilling to take them on.
Now that it is an economic necessity just like Hitler’s SA the night of the long knives is coming but in the form privatisation.
 
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