England out! British Soldiers KIA , do newsmedia care?

#1
I am not a bitter and twisted Welsh man , i was supporting England last night as well .
What really gets on my tits is all this fuss because they are out . Our brother soldiers
are away in Iraq /Afganistan right now , they are there for there country without
the ''WAGS'' .2 lads were killed the otherday in Afganistan and the only thing people
give a damn about is that Thick cnut Beckem ''sacking it'' or if Rooney is going to shake
Ranaldo's hand when they both tip up for work in Manchester . These people are over paid
Primodonas .I am sure they can get by with a little disapointment until they get paid in a few days .
 
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#2
I agree with you.
But do you really expect Joe public to give a toss about 2 squaddies getting killed in a war that no one really knows very much about let alone gives a toss about. The view amongst the civvies I work with is that if these guys are dumb enough to sign on the dotted line and join an army which is engaged in 2 of Blair’s wars then they can expect to get shot at and even killed. Of course its hard cheese for the guys and their families but I haven’t come across many people who actually care or are that bothered. It’s not like they are seen as fighting for out national safety or protection by the majority of the public. It’s like NI in the early days.Squaddies getting shot almost daily. No one really gave a toss about them either. The Falkland campaign was different. It was a matter of national pride. It was our brave boys giving Johnny foreigner a bloody nose for twisting the lion’s tale....
It’s going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better
 
#3
I know it's not strictly what you're talking about, but the commentator for the England match prior to yesterday's did say "I'd just like to say hello to some of our more important viewers, the men and women of the British army, stationed all over the world". Or words to that effect.

And in that statement there is a subtle irony, that the general public is more interested in football, but the man who is paid to talk about the football took the time to acknowledge British soldiers.
 
#4
Angelic Upstarts - Last Night Another Soldier

"Last night another soldier, last night another child
No one seems to worry, no one sees his mother cry

Can you see that smart, clean soldier,
Standing straight and oh so proud
He wants to fight for Queen and country
He wants to make his family proud

A job with the future, his way to get out of it
It's his sense of romance, it never ends that way
Last night another soldier, last night another child
No one seems to worry, no one sees his mother cry

They're just facts and figures on your TV screen
Another child and another soldier, is peace just a dream

In the country strange and foreign all the people resent him
He can't cope with his problems, all the fears and hatred

Now he wish he never went he wish he never thought of it
It's not the same as fighting armies looking for the terrorists

They're just facts and figures...

Can you hear the mocking laughter from the ones that gain by it
They're not in line for the bullets, they're the ones who started it

They're just facts and figures...

Last night another soldier, last night another child
Just a number in the papers, another one of the innocent

They're just facts and figures.."



A late 70's/early 80's Punk group articulated it better than I ever could.
 
#5
Nobody gives a toss mate because it doesn't affect their normal lives. When it encroaches on their lives and restricts what they can do - then they care.

Its just like the July Bombings. Everyone gave a shit until a month after it happened and now its all forgotten.

We are just a tool of the government. If it needs done we do it. Thats all we are. We are only heroes to those who know us or to those who are affected by our actions.Its sad that its like that, but in todays society thats the way things are.
 
#6
I yelled a few expletives at the screen when the commentators were banging on about the 'heroic' efforts of the English in lasting 60 minutes as 10 men. I know that an awful lot of people get awfully excited about the game in general, but given that the game was played on the 90th anniversary of The Somme and when contrasted with the truly heroic efforts of the lads and lasses serving in the hot-spots around the world it's an insult to use that term.
 
#7
Please dont get me wrong here chaps , i am all for the world cup and i was trully gutted for England
and the England supporters .My point is , lets put all this in perspective , its only a bloody game and
when soldiers who earn maybe 30 grand a year at best are getting killed .Well we should all remember that
the next time Beckham is crying on the box.
 
#8
I was thinking exactly the same, I didn't even know of the incident till I logged on here. I watched the match last night at work with a few off the weekend staff get home watch morning news and nothing about the soldiers!
 
#9
Death_Rowums said:
I know it's not strictly what you're talking about, but the commentator for the England match prior to yesterday's did say "I'd just like to say hello to some of our more important viewers, the men and women of the British army, stationed all over the world". Or words to that effect.

And in that statement there is a subtle irony, that the general public is more interested in football, but the man who is paid to talk about the football took the time to acknowledge British soldiers.
I picked up on that too D_R and was impressed - and surprised. It was a rare uplifting moment. The same commentator also overdid it during the Germany/Argentina penalty shoot out. As Michael Bellak prepared to take his kick the commentator said, "an entire nation in a man". I knew what he meant but it was pathetic. Football is not that important, it has no heroes.
 
#10
Should know by now that civvies don't give a feck about soldiers dieing overseas.
Just watch your local news for example there's always a story about a missing rabbit or parrot in the East Midlands area before the story on our lads loseing their lives.
It's the kind of world we live in today, people would rather hear about Victoria Beckhams hair extensions.
 
#11
i'm a massive fan of football, but, people don't die playing football!


i was at work, but came home on and flicking through the news channels was disgusted at the time given to football, and the almost an aside way of reporting the deaths.


sky, beeb et al ought to be thoroughly ashamed!


RIP lads
 
#12
Also a massive footie fan, felt gutted at being knocked out then I hear the news about Afghanistan and read an article about The Somme. Kind of put things into the proper context.

RIP to the lads.
 
#13
Further down this board there is an excellent thread about an outstanding bit of journalism in The Times reporting a 3 Para contact last week (Well worth a read).

Last night (Sunday) the BBC 10 o'clock news reported the deaths of two British soldiers. The editor of that programme decided that that item was less important than spending the first five minutes of the programme reporting on the resignation of a football team captain.

While I can understand that the 'great' British public might find a tearful Beckahm more interesting than the fact that soldiers are dying in their name in central Asia, to put the Beckham resignation (it's only a game FFS !) ahead of these deaths shows such a f*cked up sense of priorities it almost beggars belief. What sort of message do you think the BBC is sending to the public at large about the value of the job we do, the value of our lives, when they put it second in line to a football team captain's decision to quit ? Is that a message you would like to see reinforced ?

A pointless, unrealistic, quixotic gesture maybe, but, if, like me, you think that the tabloid-minded fcukwits who run the BBC news operation need educating about what really matters, drop them a line: Link to the BBC complaints page
 
#14
See my thread - BBC Hit Back. Maybe the general public don;t give a toss about soldiers. But they should. And the BBC ought to give a lead.

Complain about BBC 10 o'clock news (6 minutes of a tearful Beckham the first item; British soldiers being killed, a poor second) here:

BBC Complaints page
 
#15
Complaint made in the strongest possible terms. And I completely agree. Some overpaid scrote in an England top quitting his job? Puh-leeze.
 
#16
I agree that it's appalling, but I think I can understand the editor's decision. Soldiers getting killed on Bliar's sandy adventures has now become so regular an occurrence that it no longer has the same impact it once had; the Beckham creature's resignation was unexpected and a one-off, and was thus probably considered more newsworthy.

Incidentally, the journalist who wrote the excellent ST piece gave a very good interview on Radio 4's 'Today' programme this morning. Apparently the programme asked MOD to put up a minister to answer questions about the lack of air support, but they declined, stating that the op was in fact 'a Foreign Office initiative'.
 
#17
ViroBono said:
Apparently the programme asked MOD to put up a minister to answer questions about the lack of air support, but they declined, stating that the op was in fact 'a Foreign Office initiative'.
Tell me that's a wah. It is, isn't it?

Joined up government from these unspeakable bottom feeding amoeba? Fetch me a bucket, I'm going to be ill.
 
#18
Yup. The MoD are just the facilitators, apparently, for the government's marvellous scheme to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people by building wells and roads - for which, according to the FO rep, 'civil servants are risking their lives'.... You couldn't make it up, could you?

You can listen to the piece here; it's the 0810 slot.
 
#19
Well put Incognito. I recommend all to follow his link and post a complaint to the BBC. Football is a game, combat is not. Amazing that the BBC is a Govt funded dept - a bit like the Army really. Or maybe they get the funds they need and we don't!
 
#20
Here is my complaint.

I would like to complain about the lack of support towards the british troops based in Iraq and Afghanistan by your news programmes. Over the weekend there has been a loss of two soldiers in Afghanistan, yet your programme saw fit to report the news of Beckham resigning as the captain of the english football team before reporting the sad loss of our brave men. I realise that a large percentage of the population seem to have some difficulty in remembering that our armed forces are in these countries and laying down their lives, however that is partly because of the media such as yourselves putting so little importance on the matter. I cannot believe that an organisation such as yourselves put so little importance on our armed forces, particularly our army who are putting their lives at risk every day and night yet put so much emphasise on an overpaid, overhyped footballer who has done nothing for his country much less the people of other countries. Its about time your corporation got its priorities right and began supporting our troops in the manner they deserve.
 

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