England defender Tyrone Mings hits out at Priti Patel after players subject to racist abuse

About 75% of black families had both parents present in 1981 when I joined the Met. Thirty years later it was a rarity to find a dad on the estates in Southwark, Walworth, and Peckham.

As an observation of someone working with mostly Caucasian adolescents in care; not all kids from single parent households end up in care, but the majority of teenagers in care come from single parent households, or households whereby a grandparent was the primary caregiver.

People are getting worked up over 'race' or 'ethnicity' or whatever, when what has always been prevalent in society is how much a child is 'set back' coming from a 'poor working or benefit class' background, regardless of their hue.
 

Cold_Collation

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The Elephant in the room is the reason why racism never disappeared, other than the dyed in the wool bigots. A small section of society is committing the majority of violent crime. That same section is a hugely greater threat to individuals of that section, by its own, than any other section on the planet. However, as bodies pile up for postcode and gang turf wars there is silence from that section, no "Enough is enough" and any outsider voicing criticism is a white knighting colonial racist for challenging that section whose only unity is its contrived 'victimhood'
Mings, and every sportsman of all colours, are youth icons and yet they remained silent, why? Lacks kudos, no money in it? nothing to raise the profile like the ''Could give a s**t about black lives, but don't forget to donate because those bloody large mansions aren't going to buy themselves.'' and the platform the useful idiots built for it with left wing media hype to glue it together?
Because to criticise their friends and peers would run the risk of being seen to be uncool. It’s as trivial as that, I’m afraid.
 
The Elephant in the room is the reason why racism never disappeared, other than the dyed in the wool bigots. A small section of society is committing the majority of violent crime. That same section is a hugely greater threat to individuals of that section, by its own, than any other section on the planet. However, as bodies pile up for postcode and gang turf wars there is silence from that section, no "Enough is enough" and any outsider voicing criticism is a white knighting colonial racist for challenging that section whose only unity is its contrived 'victimhood'
Mings, and every sportsman of all colours, are youth icons and yet they remained silent, why? Lacks kudos, no money in it? nothing to raise the profile like the ''Could give a s**t about black lives, but don't forget to donate because those bloody large mansions aren't going to buy themselves.'' and the platform the useful idiots built for it with left wing media hype to glue it together?
Have you done any research to back up your Whataboutery statement that Mings et al have remained silent on that issue?

I very much doubt you have, to be honest.
 
I never said she did.

You lied.


How have I lied when I never said that you did?

Are the voices in your head telling you to make stuff up?
 

Helm

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Incontinentia?
24hrs to come back with that?
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awaits more bluster about having a life and button bashing as usual.
 
How have I lied when I never said that you did?

Are the voices in your head telling you to make stuff up?

I think you’ve #triggered him, he’s button bashing.

IA crying baby will deployed imminently.
 

Pteranadon

LE
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About 75% of black families had both parents present in 1981 when I joined the Met. Thirty years later it was a rarity to find a dad on the estates in Southwark, Walworth, and Peckham.
Interesting. Is this because black people dont get married any more,? Or because some areas have become sink estates, and familes have moved away?

I do question your statistics. The total population of walworth, Southwark and Peckham is 400k The Office of National Statistics estimates that there were around 2.4 million families in London in 2020(1) Of these 80% are married, civil partnerships or cohabiting. There were around 400k lone mother families and the numbers have fallen by around 9% since 2015. Are all of these baby mothers on your south London estates?

Or are you demonstrating the logic that leads people to accuse the Met of institutionalised racism. They must all be criminals because they are the people we lock up....

I work in Haringey. By and large the local population is very diverse, but the Met are disproportionately while. It not a cliche to see a car load of white coppers stopping some black fellah. Maybe the local police have a jolly good idea who the villans are, maybe not.

1.https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/families/datasets/familiesbyfamilytyperegionsofenglandandukconstituentcountries\
 
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Interesting. Is this because black people dont get married any more,? Or because some areas have become sink estates, and familes have moved away?

I do question your statistics. The total population of walworth, Southwark and Peckham is 400k The Office of National Statistics estimates that there were around 2.4 million families in London in 2020(1) Of these 80% are married, civil partnerships or cohabiting. There were around 400k lone mother families and the numbers have fallen by around 9% since 2015. Are all of these baby mothers on your south London estates?

Or are you demonstrating the logic that leads people to accuse the Met of institutionalised racism. They must all be criminals because they are the people we lock up....

I work in Haringey. By and large the local population is very diverse, but the Met are disproportionately while. It not a cliche to see a car load of white coppers stopping some black fellah. Maybe the local police have a jolly good idea who the villans are, maybe not.

1.https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/families/datasets/familiesbyfamilytyperegionsofenglandandukconstituentcountries\

Can't get your link to work

Here's one showing about a quarter of black house holds are single parents (whites are just under 11%

Families and households
 
I think you’ve #triggered him, he’s button bashing.

IA crying baby will deployed imminently.
Stacker keeps repeating the same old fib, gets an Old.

That's how it works.

Sorry if this confuses you.
 
Interesting. Is this because black people dont get married any more,? Or because some areas have become sink estates, and familes have moved away?

I do question your statistics. The total population of walworth, Southwark and Peckham is 400k The Office of National Statistics estimates that there were around 2.4 million families in London in 2020(1) Of these 80% are married, civil partnerships or cohabiting. There were around 400k lone mother families and the numbers have fallen by around 9% since 2015. Are all of these baby mothers on your south London estates?

Or are you demonstrating the logic that leads people to accuse the Met of institutionalised racism. They must all be criminals because they are the people we lock up....

I work in Haringey. By and large the local population is very diverse, but the Met are disproportionately while. It not a cliche to see a car load of white coppers stopping some black fellah. Maybe the local police have a jolly good idea who the villans are, maybe not.

1.https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/families/datasets/familiesbyfamilytyperegionsofenglandandukconstituentcountries\
Statistics? jolly good, let's get those out of the way first.

According to Home Office statistics the majority of violent crime in the UK is committed by a minority, non-white, demographic. Facts cannot be racist, they are just the facts.
The greatest danger to a black person is another black person, and since May defunded the police, and Cameron denigrated the service at every opportunity, there are half of the mainly white faces stopping and searching people of all colours and hues. So, drugs, firearms, knives, tools for theft and stolen goods travel more freely. May decided to improved her popularity with the black community by reining in stop and search even more.
There are less police, with less respect, and less powers.
Detection is down, prevention is down, stops are down, and so, surprisingly, was reported crime although this is not due to the UK population becoming saintly. The police stations are largely gone, the copper on the beat is gone and the reporting system is via telephone after a long wait in a queue where they learn that burglaries are no longer investigated, nor is the theft of your car, and even if you are watching a crime take place that 8 minute set-in-stone response time in the UK's capital city is a thing of the past.
So, people stopped reporting minor thefts, assault, and of the feral youth making lives miserable with impunity.

Eventually, the newspapers decided to tell the truth, in an indirect way, because bodies were piling up of young black people either in the wrong postcode area, listening to the wrong wrapper, or a member of the wrong gang. Phones and bags were being snatched of people in the streets. Those who resisted were stabbed or had acid thrown in their faces, and this street crime led to mopeds, then cars.
The people committing the large majority of these are that minority demographic we spoke of.

Now, on to single parent families.

Back in the 1970s at my last school, I heard a girl in my year tell the careers advisor that she was going to get babied-up PDQ and get a council house and benefits. He four mates all nodded in agreement. It was not new, my grandad used to grumble about that ten years before.
They were all white, btw.

Until the introduction of child maintenance into law it was very common for some who had no permanent residency in the UK to acquire the legal means of remaining by knocking up as many 'baby mothers' as they could. These really started the downturn of two parent families on housing estates and the next generation they produced were brought up without a fathers influence.
Yes, two parent families can see their offspring as nothing other than benefit babies, so can single mothers, but even for those well intentioned toward bringing their boys up to be honest and hardworking they are not going to be able to compete with the bad boys on the block who provide the male roll model.

Schools should help, the deprived areas get far more money chucked at them than other state schools but they cannot, or will not, try to break the bad boy culture.

How long have you working in Haringey and doing exactly what? And I take it that you live elsewhere, is that by deliberate choice?
Twenty four of my thirty years I worked operationally on grounds with large inner city estates. In that time I have run into four residential building fires without a clue or care what colour the residents were and at no time at all in those thirty years was a single one of my colleagues a Socialist. I did, on one occasion, have a beardy pointing at his watch and asking me if I finished my tea first, I lived in Croydon and Tooting during all those years.

Do the local old bill know who the local bad boys are these days? No, the intelligence led policing died when the cuts came but the Home Office quotas kept coming fast and furious.
Forms got to be filled.

Feel free to give debunking ago but I did the job for three decades which makes me vastly more qualified on the subject than any beardy ( not that I am suggesting you are ) who spent a couple of years reading books of a certain bias and being lectured by tutors of that same bias without once ever setting foot on a housing estate.
 

Truxx

LE
Statistics? jolly good, let's get those out of the way first.

According to Home Office statistics the majority of violent crime in the UK is committed by a minority, non-white, demographic. Facts cannot be racist, they are just the facts.
The greatest danger to a black person is another black person, and since May defunded the police, and Cameron denigrated the service at every opportunity, there are half of the mainly white faces stopping and searching people of all colours and hues. So, drugs, firearms, knives, tools for theft and stolen goods travel more freely. May decided to improved her popularity with the black community by reining in stop and search even more.
There are less police, with less respect, and less powers.
Detection is down, prevention is down, stops are down, and so, surprisingly, was reported crime although this is not due to the UK population becoming saintly. The police stations are largely gone, the copper on the beat is gone and the reporting system is via telephone after a long wait in a queue where they learn that burglaries are no longer investigated, nor is the theft of your car, and even if you are watching a crime take place that 8 minute set-in-stone response time in the UK's capital city is a thing of the past.
So, people stopped reporting minor thefts, assault, and of the feral youth making lives miserable with impunity.

Eventually, the newspapers decided to tell the truth, in an indirect way, because bodies were piling up of young black people either in the wrong postcode area, listening to the wrong wrapper, or a member of the wrong gang. Phones and bags were being snatched of people in the streets. Those who resisted were stabbed or had acid thrown in their faces, and this street crime led to mopeds, then cars.
The people committing the large majority of these are that minority demographic we spoke of.

Now, on to single parent families.

Back in the 1970s at my last school, I heard a girl in my year tell the careers advisor that she was going to get babied-up PDQ and get a council house and benefits. He four mates all nodded in agreement. It was not new, my grandad used to grumble about that ten years before.
They were all white, btw.

Until the introduction of child maintenance into law it was very common for some who had no permanent residency in the UK to acquire the legal means of remaining by knocking up as many 'baby mothers' as they could. These really started the downturn of two parent families on housing estates and the next generation they produced were brought up without a fathers influence.
Yes, two parent families can see their offspring as nothing other than benefit babies, so can single mothers, but even for those well intentioned toward bringing their boys up to be honest and hardworking they are not going to be able to compete with the bad boys on the block who provide the male roll model.

Schools should help, the deprived areas get far more money chucked at them than other state schools but they cannot, or will not, try to break the bad boy culture.

How long have you working in Haringey and doing exactly what? And I take it that you live elsewhere, is that by deliberate choice?
Twenty four of my thirty years I worked operationally on grounds with large inner city estates. In that time I have run into four residential building fires without a clue or care what colour the residents were and at no time at all in those thirty years was a single one of my colleagues a Socialist. I did, on one occasion, have a beardy pointing at his watch and asking me if I finished my tea first, I lived in Croydon and Tooting during all those years.

Do the local old bill know who the local bad boys are these days? No, the intelligence led policing died when the cuts came but the Home Office quotas kept coming fast and furious.
Forms got to be filled.

Feel free to give debunking ago but I did the job for three decades which makes me vastly more qualified on the subject than any beardy ( not that I am suggesting you are ) who spent a couple of years reading books of a certain bias and being lectured by tutors of that same bias without once ever setting foot on a housing estate.
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