Energy Smart meters to be fitted in every home

endure

GCM
'Average' and 'could' the last vestige of someone afraid of the truth, you can do all of this without a smart meter.
If you have a smart meter you can be disconnected remotely - fact. Also with the much predicted future power reductions it means that the authorities can disconnect you and not your neighbour, ie currently they can shut down a small substation that say supplies 100 households, but if one of them needs power for say a medical condition they cannot be turned off, so with a smart meter you get turned off, they dont.
Please dont try and tinfoil hot me, you heard it here first.

Users of smart meters are subject to the same disconnection rules as non-smart meter users.

 

sand_rat

Old-Salt
Users of smart meters are subject to the same disconnection rules as non-smart meter users.

Now add 'Emergence Powers' over that (such as we have seen recently), and see how that fits eh?
 

endure

GCM
Now add 'Emergence Powers' over that (such as we have seen recently), and see how that fits eh?

Link? Evidence? BTW it's 'Emergency'
 

sand_rat

Old-Salt
Link? Evidence? BTW it's 'Emergency'

Now stop being silly, the Govt can under these powers do what they want, ie in WWII they impounded any undesirables, sent them to the Isle of Man and put them up in houses, whose owners had just been removed and sent elsewhere! Yes its that easy, so firstly get Googling and find out some facts, but please this is one of the sensible threads, dont take it down to the NAAFI level please.
Apols for the delayed retort but been out with No 1 Granddaughter today at a 'park' (northern word for swings etc), time with her seriously much better than being on here.
Thank you.
 

sand_rat

Old-Salt
I know bad form quoting your own post and all that but the first few lines from the linky linky thing is


The term “emergency powers” usually refers to government powers to respond rapidly to a public emergency by:

  • making regulations without an act of parliament
  • Taking actions without complying with statutory duties that it would normally have to comply with
  • Taking actions that it would not normally be allowed to take.

Now tell me if a chronic shortage of power couldnt be a 'public emergency'?
 
'Average' and 'could' the last vestige of someone afraid of the truth, you can do all of this without a smart meter.
If you have a smart meter you can be disconnected remotely - fact. Also with the much predicted future power reductions it means that the authorities can disconnect you and not your neighbour, ie currently they can shut down a small substation that say supplies 100 households, but if one of them needs power for say a medical condition they cannot be turned off, so with a smart meter you get turned off, they dont.
Please dont try and tinfoil hot me, you heard it here first.

Wot he said, and if at any time you query their judgement about any part of their customer service, payment process, or automatic meter reading, they can, not that they will, but the process is there, remotely shut you down. The other thing to think about, some meters are not compatible with other suppliers systems, which means you cannot change, and the small long life battery which powers some meters, when they fail, the meter automatically shuts down, and they are sealed, which means you pay a high premium for someone to attend and replace it. ...its a massive con.
 
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They also catch fire allegedly. Especially when you place the readout unit next to an oven, then try and blame the energy supplier.
 
1. Wot he said, and if at any time you query their judgement about any part of their customer service, payment process, or automatic meter reading, they can, not that they will, but the process is there, remotely shut you down.
2.The other thing to think about, some meters are not compatible with other suppliers systems, which means you cannot change,
3.and the small long life battery which powers some meters, when they fail, the meter automatically shuts down, and they are sealed, which means you pay a high premium for someone to attend and replace it. ...its a massive con.
Do you spout bollox for shits and giggles or is it genuinely 'haven't a clue' bollox?

Point 1 = bollox
Point 2 = utter bollox
Point 3 = total bollox
 

endure

GCM

Now stop being silly, the Govt can under these powers do what they want, ie in WWII they impounded any undesirables, sent them to the Isle of Man and put them up in houses, whose owners had just been removed and sent elsewhere! Yes its that easy, so firstly get Googling and find out some facts, but please this is one of the sensible threads, dont take it down to the NAAFI level please.
Apols for the delayed retort but been out with No 1 Granddaughter today at a 'park' (northern word for swings etc), time with her seriously much better than being on here.
Thank you.
The government disconnecting you in a war situation is not the same thing as Npower disconnecting you because you haven't paid your bills which what all the tinfoil hattery is about.
 

neil82

Old-Salt
Do you spout bollox for shits and giggles or is it genuinely 'haven't a clue' bollox?

Point 1 = bollox
Point 2 = utter bollox
Point 3 = total bollox
gas meter has just been changed for point 3, flat battery, fitter said the life was 10 years but no one is told that when they are installed, only when they need changing do the customers find out
 

sand_rat

Old-Salt
The government disconnecting you in a war situation is not the same thing as Npower disconnecting you because you haven't paid your bills which what all the tinfoil hattery is about.
Alas off to bed now, but that is exactly what they have the power to do, they simply do it remotely rather than physically, again dont want to go down the NAAFI channel, but they have that ability. Fact.
 

endure

GCM
Alas off to bed now, but that is exactly what they have the power to do, they simply do it remotely rather than physically, again dont want to go down the NAAFI channel, but they have that ability. Fact.
Who are they? Npower? SSE? OVO? We appear to be talking about different entities.

Most of the kerfuffle on this thread is to do with utilities cutting you off because you haven't paid your bill not the government conserving power because WWIII has just kicked off.
 
'Average' and 'could' the last vestige of someone afraid of the truth, you can do all of this without a smart meter.
If you have a smart meter you can be disconnected remotely - fact. Also with the much predicted future power reductions it means that the authorities can disconnect you and not your neighbour, ie currently they can shut down a small substation that say supplies 100 households, but if one of them needs power for say a medical condition they cannot be turned off, so with a smart meter you get turned off, they dont.
Please dont try and tinfoil hot me, you heard it here first.
Technically yes, but actually no. At a very, very simple level:
The "Smart Meter" component is actually called a communications hub. Primarily it is connected to the electricity meter and the gas meter where applicable. The comms hub is based on mobile phone technology.
The hub primarily draws data from the meters, it doesn't interact with the meters in that way; except;
The comms hubs which have a pre-pay facility will have that switching functionality.
However the energy companies don't have the access to the hubs you imagine; they are actually controlled by a department called DSP within an organisation called Smart DCC. There simply isn't the visibility to know where every hub is fitted.

The idea is that you'll be able to change energy suppliers as easily as changing mobile suppliers. This is encouraging plenty of smaller suppliers to enter the market which should drive down prices / encourage competition. It will also allow people to better monitor their consumption and see what they've spent etc.

eta: suppliers are being pressured by the Govt (via BEIS) to get a proportion of their customers fitted with "smart meters". This means they are offering some good tariffs if you'll get one fitted. You can save £200-300pa by signing up with your current supplier, normally to a 12mth contract. This is becasue they also know once you have it fitted you can bog off to a cheaper deal easily.
 

endure

GCM
Technically yes, but actually no. At a very, very simple level:
The "Smart Meter" component is actually called a communications hub. Primarily it is connected to the electricity meter and the gas meter where applicable. The comms hub is based on mobile phone technology.
The hub primarily draws data from the meters, it doesn't interact with the meters in that way; except;
The comms hubs which have a pre-pay facility will have that switching functionality.
However the energy companies don't have the access to the hubs you imagine; they are actually controlled by a department called DSP within an organisation called Smart DCC.

The idea is that you'll be able to change energy suppliers as easily as changing mobile suppliers. This is encouraging plenty of smaller suppliers to enter the market which should drive down prices / encourage competition. It will also allow people to better monitor their consumption and see what they've spent etc.
Pish! You and your facts! Begone with you!
 
gas meter has just been changed for point 3, flat battery, fitter said the life was 10 years but no one is told that when they are installed, only when they need changing do the customers find out
and...
The meter alerts the energy provider that it’s battery is near end of life... energy company sends man to replace unit. Job done, who gives a fcuk?

Unless you are @A signaller... the energy provider will cut him off without warning because he queried their need to attend his property ten years after the meter was installed because the battery in his meter that doesn’t actually communicate with his provider because he changed suppliers a year after it was installed is near the end of it’s life. To add insult to his outrage, the fee they’ll charge him is equivalent to the national debt of a small third world country... and breathe.
 

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