Energy Smart meters to be fitted in every home

ancienturion

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As can the fact that it's obvious that no-one is home simply by watching the house for an evening.
It depends on who is doing the watching.

What sort of data do you think could be sold on? All the smart meter collects is data about energy usage. Who could make a profit out of knowing that you used 58 quid's worth of gas last month?
Data can be ascertained as to how many residing, how often washes are done, etc. In fact there is a considerable amount of data to be sold.

That's because they're waiting for the installation of the SMETS2 system which will allow this to happen.
That is what was said the first time. How many more times must customers be ignored while waiting to get it right?

So you think that a single pensioner using small amounts of water ought to pay the same for it as a family of 6 who probably use 10 times as much?
Because it is a monopoly which is overseen by a relatively toothless regulator, profit will come first regardless of what status the customer possesses. In fact one water company has now indicated it would like to apply a surcharge to all customers who can afford it (how do they work that out? Smart meters?). That would be so they could apply a reduced charge to those who reckon they cannot afford it. Nothing about single pensioners.
 

ancienturion

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I think the possibility of variable pricing is quite clever, as it could encourage people to make greener choices
Like getting up at silly o'clock to start a washing machine/shower, etc. Not everyone has computer controlled equipment.
 

ancienturion

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That depends on whether you take any notice of the display of energy used when it's fitted. I bought an electricity measuring meter thingy a while ago and watching what happened to consumption when I turned things on and off helped me cut my leccy bills by at least 10%. A smart meter would allow you to do the same with leccy and gas if you were willing to pay a little attention to it.

It also means that you don't have to read your meter every month/let a stranger into the house to do it for you.

The changing supplier thing will be sorted when SMETS2 comes on line.
I don't need telling to turn things off when not in use, as for meter reading, I
get a email asking for a meter reading every 3 months either my Mrs or myself
find it no bother to supply a reading
 
How? You said that a smart meter could ascertian how many people were in a house. How would it do that specifically? 'By programming' is not an answer to my question.
By analyzing the swiching up and down of all the epuipment in the house
don't forget companies share information
 
Call me a cynic mate, but I’m not convinced you understand how all this signalling and ‘leccy stuff works... ;)
Got a HNC in electrical engeering and did a little computer work in the crabs
A little time in industry, I've also learnt that when someone offers to do me a
big favour [ie smart meter ]they are going to get more out of it than me
 
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The whole smart meter stuff is a money saving exercise for the power companies. Simply, they don't have to send someone round to read your meter, or rely on your on-line readings. They will also be able to charge for energy depending on demand, so at 0700-0830 when everyone is getting showered, making breakfast etc, the price will go up.

How much will you save? SFA, especially if your family is like mine.

Our house is already insulated and fully double glazed, we have thermostats on all the radiators and all the lights have been swapped for LED or CFL. BTW, the original lights in our kitchen were 8x50W halogens, 2x25W halogens and another 50W of fluorescent lights total 500W or half a kW.

Currently we have 8x 5W LED and 10W LED under units plus 50W halogens in the cooker hood which we don't use very often. Ditto stairs had 350W of halogen power (2 floors), now total 30W LED.

However, SWMBO & kids do not believe on turning stuff off at the plug hence everything left on standby etc etc. SWMBO is forever turning the heating up to about 22C from my 19C default setting, and she will leave the bedroom window open to "air" the room, simultaneously leaving the radiator on and the bedroom door open.

I don't need a smart meter to tell me how to save energy, I just need a larger 3-space patio....
 
I don't need a smart meter to tell me how to save energy, I just need a larger 3-space patio....
Get a couple of Calor gas fires and have more romantic mood candles lit.
That will fool the buggers.
 
Because it is a monopoly which is overseen by a relatively toothless regulator, profit will come first regardless of what status the customer possesses. In fact one water company has now indicated it would like to apply a surcharge to all customers who can afford it (how do they work that out? Smart meters?). That would be so they could apply a reduced charge to those who reckon they cannot afford it. Nothing about single pensioners.
Is that Socialism?
 
How? You said that a smart meter could ascertian how many people were in a house. How would it do that specifically? 'By programming' is not an answer to my question.
You want to know, I'll give it a go
It's in the middle of the night, two things have switched in, one twice and one a few times,
You have a fridge and a deep freeze,
7oclock, a increase in amps, it's a kettle, I know how much current it's taking X by the time it's on
and I know how much water you have boiled,
small increase in current, held steady, TV?
Increase in current for three minites, A toaster
No change you're having breakfast,
Current drops to zero TV off, You have gone to work
Back to fidge and deep freeze swiching in and out
They're going to look at your smart meter 24hours a day 365days a year
I've just taken a simple look, imagine what a expert could do
you still want a smart meter:)
 
You want to know, I'll give it a go
It's in the middle of the night, two things have switched in, one twice and one a few times,
You have a fridge and a deep freeze,
7oclock, a increase in amps, it's a kettle, I know how much current it's taking X by the time it's on
and I know how much water you have boiled,
small increase in current, held steady, TV?
Increase in current for three minites, A toaster
No change you're having breakfast,
Current drops to zero TV off, You have gone to work
Back to fidge and deep freeze swiching in and out
They're going to look at your smart meter 24hours a day 365days a year
I've just taken a simple look, imagine what a expert could do
you still want a smart meter:)
You watch too much TV. Buy a shiny new tin foil hat and forget about smart meters mate. You will fry your brain with the worry of it all and the energy company will know the very second your head bursts into flames.
 
All going well then......

“Our report calls on the government to urgently review the progress of the roll-out and intervene to tackle its points of failure and risk.”

“BIG also calls on Ofgem, the industry regulator, to ensure that further programme costs are not passed on to customers, and that for a change programme savings are.”




British Infrastructure Group of Parliamentarians releases new report, ‘Not So Smart’. – The British Infrastructure Group
I lost my surprised face...
 

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