Empowerment - coming to a soldier near you.....

And how would that change if I had a car pass with my registration, make and colour of car, number rank and name, home unit and address on a single car pass.

If my military lD card matches my vehicle pass, bobs your auntie. You then have ’onion skin’ security for access to sensitive areas. And if there is a proxy bomb worry, have trigger words or other methods of warning.

It really isn’t hard.
If its not hard why hasnt it changed?
 
The Empowered soldier account currently infests the Military Twitter Echo chamber. I sent a DM about the decriminalisation of young soldiers claiming for food when absent on duty.

Glad I didn’t hold my breath for a response :)
 
Don’t forget temporary IDs at most starred HQs, turn up, queue up, show serviceable ID card, swap for little green card with barely visible grainy photo, effectively wasting half an hour each time.

Keeps a civil servant in a job though :)
Ah, you’ve experienced the pleasure of the ‘Visitors Centre’ at Andover?! :smile:
 
The Empowered soldier account currently infests the Military Twitter Echo chamber. I sent a DM about the decriminalisation of young soldiers claiming for food when absent on duty.

Glad I didn’t hold my breath for a response :)
Everyone ignores you though.
 

Quo_vadis

Swinger
And how would that change if I had a car pass with my registration, make and colour of car, number rank and name, home unit and address on a single car pass.

If my military lD card matches my vehicle pass, bobs your auntie. You then have ’onion skin’ security for access to sensitive areas. And if there is a proxy bomb worry, have trigger words or other methods of warning.

It really isn’t hard.
You would still need a system for non-military visitors (e.g. contractors) to each unit though, so the passes admin would have to stay. There's no reason why a soldier's (sailor's and airman's) universal vehicle pass couldn't work though.

The only drawback I could see is most COs, RSMs etc wanting to maintain control over who comes in and out of their unit (even among the soldiery), so you might find that a soldier who rolls up to the main gate with the name of another unit on his pass gets sent to the guardroom to state his business and to get a local pass anyway.

(Such an exciting subject for my debut post.)
 

ugly

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You would still need a system for non-military visitors (e.g. contractors) to each unit though, so the passes admin would have to stay. There's no reason why a soldier's (sailor's and airman's) universal vehicle pass couldn't work though.

The only drawback I could see is most COs, RSMs etc wanting to maintain control over who comes in and out of their unit (even among the soldiery), so you might find that a soldier who rolls up to the main gate with the name of another unit on his pass gets sent to the guardroom to state his business and to get a local pass anyway.

(Such an exciting subject for my debut post.)
No you wouldn't, an updated program similar to Vengeful and you the contractor apply in advance listing the vehicles, persons and copies of their ID.
For normal troops a simple email from a phone or PC updating details of vehicles wishing to be brought onto MoD property would suffice. The system gets the VRN entered and you cnme in or park up and fill it in manually.
Nothing is really difficult its just the institution that wont change. MoD property isn't the unit RSM's private property. One pass/entry on the system would suffice unless the site had special requirements. Ive been to a few, you park outside in a secured compound and are met, searched and escorted round. No need for this on a normal barracks.
 
You would still need a system for non-military visitors (e.g. contractors) to each unit though, so the passes admin would have to stay. There's no reason why a soldier's (sailor's and airman's) universal vehicle pass couldn't work though.

The only drawback I could see is most COs, RSMs etc wanting to maintain control over who comes in and out of their unit (even among the soldiery), so you might find that a soldier who rolls up to the main gate with the name of another unit on his pass gets sent to the guardroom to state his business and to get a local pass anyway.

(Such an exciting subject for my debut post.)
Even without the totally achievable IT solution put forward by @ugly, if this empowered soldier malarkey is about cutting through bureaucracy, a universal pass for soldiers on routine business would go some way. There are many places where a vehicle works ticket doesn’t gain access without a local pass now days, barking!

I currently 3 car passes for barracks within 10 miles of each other, work, Corps HQ and access to the barracks where my SFA is. A MOD 90 and a civilian type pass with a TLA on it that has sat in my car for 2 years never used!

There are legitimate reasons that a soldier can be visiting separate sites and it is an utter waste of time having to get a printed temporary ID and car pass every time.
 
Even without the totally achievable IT solution put forward by @ugly, if this empowered soldier malarkey is about cutting through bureaucracy, a universal pass for soldiers on routine business would go some way. There are many places where a vehicle works ticket doesn’t gain access without a local pass now days, barking!

I currently 3 car passes for barracks within 10 miles of each other, work, Corps HQ and access to the barracks where my SFA is. A MOD 90 and a civilian type pass with a TLA on it that has sat in my car for 2 years never used!

There are legitimate reasons that a soldier can be visiting separate sites and it is an utter waste of time having to get a printed temporary ID and car pass every time.
You are sounding very chippy just lately.
 
"Dragons Den" eh? We called similar groups "Tiger teams" back in my day. Looks like someone's making money hand over fist to get the Army to listen to the junior ranks and make them feel appreciated by using ideas that were popular in the 1980s.
 
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"Dragons Den" eh? We called similar groups "Tiger teams" back in my day. Looks like someone's making money hand over fist to get the Army to listen to the junior ranks and make them feel appreciated by using ideas that were popular in the 1980s.
From my EFP in 1994, over 25 years ago (and I know it wasn’t new then), but because it’s now on power point and spreadsheets and databases and we have forums and social media, the emperors new clothes look shinier :)

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"Dragons Den" eh? We called similar groups "Tiger teams" back in my day. Looks like someone's making money hand over fist to get the Army to listen to the junior ranks and make them feel appreciated by using ideas that were popular in the 1980s.
It’s only really like Dragons Den if the people the ideas are pitched to have the power or influence to take the idea forward and make it happen.

If the MJP simply vets ideas and passes them upwards into the in-trays of staff branches who donbecause they are too busy, too lazy, disagrees or because his boss disagrees, it’s pointless.
 
We considered the “capture details of individuals’ cars so they don’t need passes”. Once we looked into how we would secure and process the personal information it very quickly became a complete GDPR and privacy nightmare.

Just imagine if someone hacked the database, and had immediate access to every member of the Armed Forces’ registration, name, DoB, address/unit etc....
 
We considered the “capture details of individuals’ cars so they don’t need passes”. Once we looked into how we would secure and process the personal information it very quickly became a complete GDPR and privacy nightmare.

Just imagine if someone hacked the database, and had immediate access to every member of the Armed Forces’ registration, name, DoB, address/unit etc....
You don’t need a connected system, although MODet has all kinds of personal info. You need a universally recognised pass that can be issued on standalone systems. There are very few camps that require S/TS access throughout and those that do can be treated separately.

For most, the car park, cookhouse, NAAFI, Gym, Pads quarters etc, are not usually in sensitive areas and you can have layered security anyway.

I get a little green temporary pass at least twice a week from various pass offices, I then usually shove it in my pocket until I return it. Not very many people feel the need to challenge someone in uniform in a general access area.

We do it because it’s routine and no one has actually asked the question why.
 
You don’t need a connected system, although MODet has all kinds of personal info. You need a universally recognised pass that can be issued on standalone systems. There are very few camps that require S/TS access throughout and those that do can be treated separately.

For most, the car park, cookhouse, NAAFI, Gym, Pads quarters etc, are not usually in sensitive areas and you can have layered security anyway.

I get a little green temporary pass at least twice a week from various pass offices, I then usually shove it in my pocket until I return it. Not very many people feel the need to challenge someone in uniform in a general access area.

We do it because it’s routine and no one has actually asked the question why.
If it really is an issue, it could easily be done with a smartphone app. Details held on the device, not the data base. Arrive, scan a barcode on your phone, print pass an display. No human intervention and no need for a big, expensive defence wide data base. Add in a facial recognition feature and you’re starting to approach loosing the barrier technicians.
 

Quo_vadis

Swinger
No you wouldn't, an updated program similar to Vengeful and you the contractor apply in advance listing the vehicles, persons and copies of their ID.
For normal troops a simple email from a phone or PC updating details of vehicles wishing to be brought onto MoD property would suffice. The system gets the VRN entered and you cnme in or park up and fill it in manually.
Nothing is really difficult its just the institution that wont change. MoD property isn't the unit RSM's private property. One pass/entry on the system would suffice unless the site had special requirements. Ive been to a few, you park outside in a secured compound and are met, searched and escorted round. No need for this on a normal barracks.
With enough will and investment, it certainly could be done.

As for a unit not being an RSMs or COs private property, du jure it certainly isn't, but as we all know, de facto it very much is. I'm with you, but if an RSM or CO wants any soldier from another unit to check in to the guardroom, state his business and get a local pass, do you really think someone higher up is going to say "Stop it!". I don't.
 
Of course if the Army used “orders” as orders, not “if you’d possibly like”* then we might get some where...

*cf in/out, up/down
 

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