Employers of Illegal Immigrants Hunted Down

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
 
#3
Trans-sane said:
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
But don't pay tax, national insurance etc etc. More importantly, the employers don't have to make any contributions either.
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#4
But dolist don't pay tax, NI etc. etc. They have no employers needing to maker contributions either...

Edit: At least the ilegals are doing something more ecconomically useful than allowing the Jeremy Kyle show to sell advertising to Ocean Finance and Abulance chasing lawers.
 
#5
Sven said:
Trans-sane said:
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
But don't pay tax, national insurance etc etc. More importantly, the employers don't have to make any contributions either.
I'm bloody glad you and the limp dumb party will never get elected.
 
#6
Trans-sane said:
But dolist don't pay tax, NI etc. etc. They have no employers needing to maker contributions either...
Than again if the employers didn't have a load of illegals working for less than minimum wage with no checks and balances then perhaps they would be forced into employing some of these "dolists".

If the employers start suffering due to a lack of workers then you can be sure that the government would be forced to do something to make those who use the dole as a way of life get a job.
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
As I said, the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists don't want a job. There was a Dispatches special on imigration. The presenter stood outside a dole office and asked people coming out what they thought of the polish coming into this country.

Near universal answer was "B*stards are taking our jobs. I'm on the dole because of them." The presenter then said he could get a job for one of the loudest of them at £7 per hour, picking vegetables on a nearby farm. His response "I'm not doing that. Standing out in a field all day? I'd rather be on the dole."
 
#8
:yawn: I'm sorry, but as far as I can see people have been entering this country illegally and working illegally for so long now it is just impossible to find all of them and their employers.

Yes I know that the Police probably know of the whereabouts of a large number of them but if the Police were to round them all up and ship them all out what would happen then?

A large number will be straight to court spouting 'human rights' clogging up our already overloaded judicial system while some of the remainder will start protests. What about the likes of Amnesty International, surely they would become involved?

All of this will cost the British taxpayer millions meaning more tax of cigarettes, booze and cars to pay for it. How much will this cost our economy? Whilst there presence may not be legal I'm sure it will take companies some time to find replacements, if they can afford to.
 
#9
Until the dole becomes 'community employment' where you have to work for it and welfare payments are returned to being a safety net rather than a lifestyle choice, this country will remain over-run with chavscum.

msr
 
#10
squiffy_parsons said:
Sven said:
Trans-sane said:
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
But don't pay tax, national insurance etc etc. More importantly, the employers don't have to make any contributions either.
I'm bloody glad you and the limp dumb party will never get elected.
Seconded.
 
#11
I haven't seen the report because I am out of the country at the moment and my proxy is acting up!

However, not sure if this is common knowledge but where do you think chinese takeaways/restaurants get their cooks and waiters?!

If someone were minded to get hold of some illegal immigrants as an example to all, he/she need only raid the local takeaway.

Waiters earn about 140 quid a week all in. The bloke at the chinese takeaway probably earns about 4 pounds/hr. Cooks are apparently in greater demand. I've been told they can get about 250 quid/month because few have the skills/tolerance for cooking in a takeaway.

No doubt, the situation is similar in indian takeaways, though I do not have first hand knowledge of this.
 
#12
Sven said:
About time.

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Yes, hopefully we will now see Govt Ministers and Local Govt Officers in court. They are, after all, the biggest employers of illegal immigrants.
 
#13
Sven said:
Trans-sane said:
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
But don't pay tax, national insurance etc etc. More importantly, the employers don't have to make any contributions either.
Sorry Sven, perhaps you could provide a link to show these illegal immigrants, or more specifically their employers, were not paying tax and NI from pay? It certainly wasn't mentioned or even implied in the report you linked to.

The 'raid' on the poultry plant featured in the clip turned up 22 illegal immigrants from 49 workers - so presumably it makes economic sense for the remaining 27 employees to work at that factory.

Ironic that you, a supposed liberal, are neither socially nor economically liberal in this instance. Imagine, the terrible consequences that would ensue where we to give people the freedom and incentive to come to this country and try and earn a living :roll:

As far as I am concerned, if they are making an economic contribution to the country then let them stay. If there are questions of employers evading tax then that should be a matter for HMRC.

And as for stealing jobs - by what right do those jobs belong to anyone?

Pay_Mistri
 
#14
Pay_Mistri said:
And as for stealing jobs - by what right do those jobs belong to anyone?

Pay_Mistri
Birth right perhaps? ie being born and raised in this country, contributing the system.
There is not an automatic right for all comers to come to this country just because they may (or may not) contribute to the national economy.
 
#15
Once upon a time, I used to run a small business. I got a letter from the Home Office listing all of the horrendous penalties that would be imposed if I employed illegals.

I was warned that posession of a NI number card, or even a valid NI number was no proof that somebody could work legally. The cards are easily forged and, at that time, there was no way of checking whether an NI number was genuine.

At the end of the letter, I was told that I'd be prosecuted for racism if I asked to see foreigners' passports before employing them.

And they wonder why companies are relocating abroad as never before.
 
#16
Yeah, but as msr said, the welfare system is being abused by those who see it as an easy ride through life. They don't actually want a job. And we need someone to do our cockle picking and takeaway cooking.

If these illegals are already working, I think they should be allowed to stay in the country legally so that they can be taxed like everyone else. What is needed is that their employers are gripped and made to offer the minimun wage. It's the employers who need regulating - as long as there is money offered for working, someone somewhere will be willing to do that work. A pittance is more than nothing.
 
#17
jagman said:
Pay_Mistri said:
And as for stealing jobs - by what right do those jobs belong to anyone?

Pay_Mistri
Birth right perhaps? ie being born and raised in this country, contributing the system.
There is not an automatic right for all comers to come to this country just because they may (or may not) contribute to the national economy.
Sorry, you don't get something for nothing in this world. There is no shortage of jobs in this country, just an overabundance of workshy chavs.

msr
 
#18
Pay_Mistri said:
Sven said:
Trans-sane said:
Then again working ilegals are of far more use than the 2nd and 3rd generation dolists we seem to have hundred of thousands of. The ilegals actualy do some kind of work.
But don't pay tax, national insurance etc etc. More importantly, the employers don't have to make any contributions either.
Sorry Sven, perhaps you could provide a link to show these illegal immigrants, or more specifically their employers, were not paying tax and NI from pay? It certainly wasn't mentioned or even implied in the report you linked to.

The 'raid' on the poultry plant featured in the clip turned up 22 illegal immigrants from 49 workers - so presumably it makes economic sense for the remaining 27 employees to work at that factory.

Ironic that you, a supposed liberal, are neither socially nor economically liberal in this instance. Imagine, the terrible consequences that would ensue where we to give people the freedom and incentive to come to this country and try and earn a living :roll:

As far as I am concerned, if they are making an economic contribution to the country then let them stay. If there are questions of employers evading tax then that should be a matter for HMRC.

And as for stealing jobs - by what right do those jobs belong to anyone?

Pay_Mistri
Now as I am sure You are aware, I have no qualms about immigrants coming to enrich our country, economically, culturally and by taking on the jobs our population eschews for those they find more desirable.

So long as they have entered, and are being employed, legally.

Thus the 'stealing jobs' remark should not be attributed to me.




As for immigrants entering illegally - it is unfair that they gain advantage over other immigrants who try the legal route and are prevented from doing so. Similarly unfair are employers who seek pecuniary advantage by employing illegals. The former should be removed and the latter punished.
 
#19
jagman said:
Pay_Mistri said:
And as for stealing jobs - by what right do those jobs belong to anyone?

Pay_Mistri
Birth right perhaps? ie being born and raised in this country, contributing the system.
There is not an automatic right for all comers to come to this country just because they may (or may not) contribute to the national economy.
But there is no magical British job-creation fairy (whatever Brown et al may believe). Jobs don't appear because you 'need' them or 'have a right' to them.

People create jobs through their hard work and entrepreneurship. They see or create a business opportunity and they employ your labour in order to exploit that opportunity for your and their mutual gain.

to mine an old quote:

Adam Smith said:
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer and the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our necessities but of their advantages
To argue that you have a greater right to a job because you are British is to argue that I have less of a right to employ someone of my choosing because they are not British. I might have good reasons for employing someone not British - they might be the best person for the job. I have no problem with you preferring to employ someone British, but perhaps I would prefer to employ someone who is both productive and affordable.

Perhaps you like to watch movies? The logical consequence of your position is that, unless an actor is British we should not allow him to be employed making films for British cinema. Lawrence of Arabia without Peter O'Toole or Omar Sharif?

If it is not in an employers interest to employ you (perhaps because your productivity is low or you lack the requisite skills) then they are not going to do so merely because a government prevents them employing someone more productive (but foreign). They will just miss out on exploiting a business opportunity which has been rendered uneconomic.

Pay_Mistri
 
#20
Sven said:
Now as I am sure You are aware, I have no qualms about immigrants coming to enrich our country, economically, culturally and by taking on the jobs our population eschews for those they find more desirable.
Fair enough.

So long as they have entered, and are being employed, legally.
Well, that rather begs the question doesn't it? What are the criteria for immigration?

Thus the 'stealing jobs' remark should not be attributed to me.
For which I apolgise - getting carried away in my liberal rant :D

As for immigrants entering illegally - it is unfair that they gain advantage over other immigrants who try the legal route and are prevented from doing so.
So if a bad law exists, and I break it, I am morally wrong because that bad law prevents others from doing what I do?

The only moral objection I can see to immigration is that immigrants should perhaps not have a claim on the institutions of a state unless they have made a contribution to that state. This of course applies equally to many who were born here; even those who have always worked have inherited much of our national capital from the past, whilst individuals who have rarely or never worked are a far greater drain on their fellow citizens over their lifetimes than those who arrive here as adults.

Similarly unfair are employers who seek pecuniary advantage by employing illegals. The former should be removed and the latter punished.
Seeking pecuniary advantage is the sole reason for being in business. As I noted in the post to which you replied there was no suggestion these employers were seeking to avoid taxation, and therefore no implication that the employers were gaining an 'unfair' advantage.

Pay_Mistri
 

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