Employer appeal ...

#1
Just got my papers through for the latest round of Telic... This will be my second tour. My boss has gone postal and says he will appeal .... what chance has the scrote got? And what grounds are appeals normally won on?

If he does win can I appeal against it ???
 
#2
If your employer can show how you are an integral,important member of the workforce,then the MOD will allow the appeal.
Sorry mate,but i have had a similar thing with my employer.
You could tryu to appeal again,but the employer normally has the final say,unless we are actually in a state of war,which,apparently,we are not.We are only in conflict.
 
#4
Sorry Coldnwet. The MoD is taking the long view on this one.
It cannot afford to send the wrong message to employers by rejecting appeals without watertight operational reasons.
I'm afraid it needs their goodwill more than it does yours. Welcome to the Modern TA.
 
#5
Fcuk.... Just spoke to a couple of guys how`ve been trough the same and they were successfull in counter appeaing... Ill have to see what happens. If I dont do telic now it`l be herrick soon so ... hes gonna have to let me go sooner or later ... fcuknig civvies ... er hang on !!!
 
#6
There is a limit to how much you can be deployed within a 3 year period, under RFA 96. But I guess your first TELIC would be nearly 3 years ago by now.
 
#7
coldnwet said:
If he does win can I appeal against it ???
Er, much as I dislike them personally, I'd suggest getting onto your union representative. Rights in the workplace and so on is the stomping ground that sort of fella, they probably have more practical advice in a large Union than the MoD does.

If you don't have a union for your business:

These guys are probably the best resourced to deal with you issue
http://www.unison.org.uk/
Or these guys at a push
http://www.amicustheunion.org/

I'll warn you though, all the reps I've met eat a lot of pies*. Give them a ring for advice, or send them a letter (and a pie).

*Not that I'm being pieist here, we all like a bit of pie from time to time. A lot of my friends like pies, they honestly do. Don't judge me on my views on pies. I have a right to my opinion same as the next guy, dammit.
 
#8
coldnwet said:
Just got my papers through for the latest round of Telic... This will be my second tour. My boss has gone postal and says he will appeal .... what chance has the scrote got? And what grounds are appeals normally won on?

If he does win can I appeal against it ???
Anecdotally about 90% of employer appeals are successful. I do not believe that you can do anything about it, other than quit your job.

msr
 
#9
msr said:
coldnwet said:
Just got my papers through for the latest round of Telic... This will be my second tour. My boss has gone postal and says he will appeal .... what chance has the scrote got? And what grounds are appeals normally won on?

If he does win can I appeal against it ???
Anecdotally about 90% of employer appeals are successful. I do not believe that you can do anything about it, other than quit your job.

msr
I'd agree with that view. Trouble is, your boss wants an employee who's around all the time, not one who disappears for the best part of a year every now and then. And as we're officially not at war and Iraq and Afghanistan are hardly popular civvies find it very hard to understand why their business should take it in the shorts as the current Govt refuses to fund their foreign policy properly.

Mind you, if you want to go again that badly why not sign on as a reg for a few years ? Serious suggestion there, not meant as a dig.
 
#10
Surprised no-one has mentioned SaBRE yet.

Get your Employer Support Officer/RRRWO/UESWO to give the local SaBRE rep a ring (find yours here) and he can go round and see the company boss and lay it on thick about the benefits of TA service to the company.

It's harder for your line manager to give you a hard time if the boss of the company is onside, with a nice certificate on his wall. Also, it's amazing how TA-friendly bosses become when offered a bit of scoff with the Duke of Westminster.
 
#11
Conversely......

If you received mobilisation papers and your employer decided not to appeal, could you appeal on his behalf on the grounds that he has mistakenly undervalued your true value within the company? ;)
 
#12
Phillip-Kotler said:
Get your Employer Support Officer/RRRWO/UESWO to give the local SaBRE rep a ring (find yours here) and he can go round and see the company boss and lay it on thick about the benefits of TA service to the company.
Who believes that? All that SABRE is bothered about is good PR about working with employers, I know of cases where SABRE has given out 'Thanks for your support' certificates but the employer has appealed against all mobilisations (these include defence contractors)
 
#13
A big issue here is that this is the second mobilisation. The first time round, the employer probably believed that the company would be compensated but has learned to his cost that the financial burden and administrative hassle just isn't worth it.
 
#14
Latest rumours are that every employer appeal will be upheld and that the flimsiest of personal appeals will also be upheld...

We are not helped when senior officers/SABRE start to talk about the desire of a 1:5 tour interval, when we can just about keep up with a 1:3 interval!!
 
#15
Quit your job and take up the TA full time - sounds like you don't like your job anyway.

Missus?
 
#16
Who believes that? All that SABRE is bothered about is good PR about working with employers, I know of cases where SABRE has given out 'Thanks for your support' certificates but the employer has appealed against all mobilisations (these include defence contractors)[/quote]

I also have experience of this...after Telic I was invited to a SABRE "Thanks very much" session for employers. Edinburgh Castle,very good "do". Apart from having to represent my employer (after my snake of a manager pulled out at one hour's notice) as well as myself, thus rather bizarrely thanking myself publicly for my "superb" contribution :D , the absolute classic was the Scottish warehouse operation of "the" high street pharmacy chain (you know the one...fcuk my old B...ts!!)

After the two women from HR received their award I enquired where their TA chap was....wasn't he able to make it?

"No" came the somewhat sheepish reply..."He's been made redundant..."

Bare-faced or what.....?


AS.
 
#18
yater_spoon said:
Don't forget if you quit your job you will not be legible for any top up payments to army earnings to ensure that you are not financially worse off.
I was reading Sabre the other night in reference to Self Employed people, it had an interesting claim that many Self Employed people shut their business down for the period of the tour, would that be tantamount to leaving your job and thus would you get screwed ? Also are they serious or just a little deluded ?
 
#19
Thanks chaps and chapasses will stick to my guns see the boss and lay it on thick . My first tour was on Telic 1 so it was over 3 years. I think Im screwed and it may come down to do I want this job this much. As for joining the Regs , no thanks! Ive worked with that many regular Squadrons and seen the dick dance that they get led. As an auggie we get a certain amount of autonomy which suits me down to the ground.

Will keep the post updated to see how SABRE and my employer react. We`ll have a case study shall we.

And yes this is a challenge to SABRE to show its worth!!!!! I think its money where your mouth is time!
 
#20
coldnwet said:
And yes this is a challenge to SABRE to show its worth!!!!! I think its money where your mouth is time!
Just as long as you are not going to be surprised when you get your P45...

msr
 
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