Electricity network in 'uncharted territory' as blackouts loom

#1
From The Telegraph:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ritory-as-blackouts-loom/ar-AAdZPod?li=AA59G2

Love this part of the article:
"According to Mr Atherton the problem started with the Labour government under the former Prime Minister Tony Blair which committed Britain to unachievable targets for building renewable energy capacity.

The suspicion is that Mr Blair went into European climate talks in 2007 not even knowing the difference between energy – which covered everything from transportation to home insulation – and electricity. Almost a decade later, this possible schoolboy error by Mr Blair and his negotiating team could lead to blackouts for the “first time in living memory”, Mr Atherton believes."
 
#2
Well, I hate to say it, but perhaps a few random interruptions to supply might just be the thing to bring a dose of reality into modern politics!

We have been here before, and history tends to indicate that those left holding the parcel when the music stops may find it hard to get life insurance!

In the meantime - buy a generator!
 
#3
From The Telegraph:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...ritory-as-blackouts-loom/ar-AAdZPod?li=AA59G2

Love this part of the article:
"According to Mr Atherton the problem started with the Labour government under the former Prime Minister Tony Blair which committed Britain to unachievable targets for building renewable energy capacity.

The suspicion is that Mr Blair went into European climate talks in 2007 not even knowing the difference between energy – which covered everything from transportation to home insulation – and electricity. Almost a decade later, this possible schoolboy error by Mr Blair and his negotiating team could lead to blackouts for the “first time in living memory”, Mr Atherton believes."
First time in living memory? I'm not that old and I remember them in the 70's.
 
#7
Old Labour caused the lights to go out and old people to freeze in the 70s.

New Labour will cause it to happen now.

Lefty Socialism in action !
Not so much Old Labour per se but militant unions as I remember...
 
#9
Actually, the issue is deeper than above. Yes, Tone was a complete thicko AND badly advised where it came to energy. There was also an unrealistic expectation that "renewables" would make far more progress than they have.

Note that we are in for a bigger shock next year when Eggborough Power Station and Ferrybridge C (both coal fired and contributing 8% of the UKs electricity) are both due to close.

Basically, there is an EU directive the "Large Combustion Plant Directive" (LCPD) which requires member states limit flue gas emissions from combustion plant having thermal capacity of 50 MW or greater. Eggborough and Ferrybridge are both 2 GigaWatt stations.

From 2007, plant built earlier than that could either opt to comply with the new emissions limits, or 'opt out'. Any plant which opted out then limited to a maximum of 20,000 hours of further operation, and must close completely by the end of 2015.

Ratcliffe has installed a very expensive Flue Gas De-Nox system, as has at least one of the Scottish stations. But given that Eggborough is >50 years old, they have decided that the £200M investment required is not economically justified.

Just also to put this in perspective, since Merkel shut down all the German nucelar stations they are also in sh!t order.

I am bulk buying candles.
 
#10
I think the political will, and the necessary popular agreement , to build new nuclear stations which would solve the problem, will not emerge until the lights start going out.

The mass of the population take energy production for granted - it's something "other people" do
" oh you work in a power station / maintain the grid/ manage gas distribution... Er ... let's talk about something else"

Put simply it's not until things get worse will there be any chance of things getting better.

Hold on - of course Jeremy Corbyn has said he will reopen the pits and all will be good that's OK then.
 
#11
So the handwringing policy of "we must not mess up the environment" will now be paid for by blackouts and possibly old people freezing to death? I too remember 1979 all too clearly, which is why I utterly despise striking unions. This time it will be politicians of the past who didn't make the right decisions, which the current ones are stuck with.

Sadly, I agree with @HE117, it may take a size 11 *********** for people to grasp the seriousness of the situation. I'm pretty sure some kinds of power stations are like steel plants. Once you press the big "OFF" button, there's no going back; the generator shafts warp under the weight of the coils and that's game over. I don't know if that applies to Eggborough and Ferrybridge. I hope not.
 

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#12
Odd that the private photovoltaic systems industry was destroyed by the big 6 energy firms :rolleyes:
 
#13
@Roadster280
Technically, no. Shut down and start up for power stations are routine as the generator sets are periodically taken off line for maintenance anyway.

However, you need power to start a power station! From a "black start" you need typically 2MW just to crank up the boiler fans, burners, fuel pumps etc. That is why most of them have a standby diesel or gas turbine set on site.

The main issue is the build and cnstruction time. Typically it takes 10 years to build a new conventional power station, and 15 years for a nuclear station by the time you have jumped the environmental and planning hurdles, raised the finance and the kit is ordered, built and bolted together.

To give an idea of scale, I was on a station a few months ago that has 4 boilers each of which is 5 storeys tall and 20m square at the base. That was a now closed oil fired station.

However, Eggborough and Ferrybridge will put us on the limit for power if we have a really cold snap in Jan 16.
 
#16
Cheers, @Dark_Nit. I was chatting with an ex-Enron guy the other week, and he was talking about a plant they had been building in Asia somewhere, and the locals decided they no longer wanted to pay for it. It was built, but not yet commissioned. So they shut it down, and that was it; couldn't be restarted for the reason I gave above. Maybe he was wrong, or there was something specific to that design.
 
#17
Actually, the issue is deeper than above. Yes, Tone was a complete thicko AND badly advised where it came to energy. There was also an unrealistic expectation that "renewables" would make far more progress than they have.
You missed a word GUTLESS I think.

There was no way on God's green planet that Our Tone would dare make any decision that might upset someone. The replacement nuke stations should have started sometime in the mid to late 90s, 2000 at best. No chance Tone would ever OK that decision. Replacement oil/gas stations should have been started by 2005. With Our Tone in charge, no chance, too many loud mouthed professional whinners complaining via Social Media on their electricity powered home laptops and organising rallies via said electricity consuming devices for our Tone to do that...
 
#19
I see an easy solution to the power crunch:


1. Make a list of every politician who has been in Westminster in the past 40-odd years;

2. Switch off the power at their residential addresses (all 10+ mansions, in the case of one ex-PM...);

3. If this doesn't free up enough spare capacity, then prepare a list of every Green Party and Labour party member over past 40 years;

4. Repeat as necessary.


And whilst I'm on a roll, how about this for a bit of "two birds with one stone", etc:


5. Inform those in (1) and (3) that they may have their electricity back, but it comes with three immigrant families for whom the householder has a lifetime financial responsibility.
 

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