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Electric handles, tear gas, sticky foam - how the US covertly transports & defends its nukes

Nemesis44UK

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#2
Interesting read. I assumed that they did something like this, but nice to know that it actually is pretty tough to hijack a nuclear warhead.

On the negative side, the morale deficit experienced by OST means how long before they have a disgruntled employee wanting to set himself up for life?
 
#6
Wonder how nukes get moved around the UK? Is it possible we use a similar system .......

You'd be surprised how much it's done you can see them quite regular on the motorway f you know what to look for.
It used to be RAF drivers with Royal Marine armed guards, RAF Police outriders and RAF Firemen escorting
AFAIK it's all done by the MoD now with their own police etc
 
#9
Not sure if I like the sound of the trucks having a "self destruct" - could be a bit of a bang!

The British vehicles used to be quite distinctive. Once seen, easily recognised again.
 
#10
Replacement program to cost $630m. This is what's wrong with defense procurement.

At the end of the day, it's a fleet of trucks with some special countermeasures.

Take a $200,000 tractor-trailer rig. Let's say there's 50 in the fleet, that's $10m for the basic vehicles. Now we're going to spend $620m tricking them out?

I'm in the wrong business.
 
#12
Saw this article via twitter - its a long account of the covert vehicle transport system used by the US to move nuclear warheads about. Quite an interesting read, particularly the way the whole operation is undercover, and has a lot of serious maintenance and morale issues.

The US Moves Nukes in Booby Trapped Tractor Trailers Straight Out Of An Action Movie
The articles sources - the L.A times and mother Jones (quoted in the article) are hardly reliable sources of information. Its slant that

A sleep deprived, irritable, heavy drinking workforce is not a good thing in most circumstances, but it seems especially worrisome when it comes to OST's mission..

16 alcohol-related incidents between 2007 and 2009, including one in which agents were detained by local police at a bar after they’d stopped for the night with their atomic payload...

What they dont state is the cargo was secured and the officers were in local hotels.

"because they occurred during secure transportation missions while the Agents were in Rest Overnight Status, which occurs during extended missions where convoy vehicles are placed in a safe harbor and Agents check into local area hotels."
 
#13
Met some SEG types recently - a lot of ex RM in there. They also do a lot of upper deck gun crew work on certain merchant ships and have some fun kit to play with on the civil nuclear side.
 
#14
Replacement program to cost $630m. This is what's wrong with defense procurement.

At the end of the day, it's a fleet of trucks with some special countermeasures.

Take a $200,000 tractor-trailer rig. Let's say there's 50 in the fleet, that's $10m for the basic vehicles. Now we're going to spend $620m tricking them out?

I'm in the wrong business.
What business is that... I think one problem is no one but Sandi labs/Lockheed martin has the security clearance/facilities to even quote this job.
 
#16
I've spent time with OST and they're an interesting bunch of people with a fairly decent set-up. While the vast majority are ex-Forces; OST operates as civilian Federal Agents with a Presidential Decree to move high value Federal cargo (not just nucs) throughout Continental USA.

They largely utilise descrete convoys ('covert' is a misnomer) and unsurprisingly, travel huge distances compared to their UK equivalents. OST security 'effects' arent too dissimilar to that delivered in the UK and there's a relatively close relationship between the two.
 
#17
I spent time with some of the US crews.They either dress like Hells Angels,Rednecks or Cowboys.Very well armed and mobile armouries travelling behind, or in front depending on the terrain.The trucks look like shite,until you get into them.Lots of toys,navigation and comms kit.
Guy on the team I was with had credentials that meant he could walk into the Oval Office if he needed to.
They all know how to party as well.
 
#18
I spent time with some of the US crews.They either dress like Hells Angels,Rednecks or Cowboys.Very well armed and mobile armouries travelling behind, or in front depending on the terrain.The trucks look like shite,until you get into them.Lots of toys,navigation and comms kit.
Guy on the team I was with had credentials that meant he could walk into the Oval Office if he needed to.
They all know how to party as well.
Yeh, working rig is a bit, err..... random.
 
#20
When I was at the Fire Service College I was told a dit about a purported nuke transport truck on its side somewhere in Dartmoor and the fire crew that turned up being told to **** off with guns.
 

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