Eight Al Qaeda fanatics working for the police

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  1. Eight Al Qaeda fanatics working for the police

    Up to eight police officers and civilian staff are suspected of links to extremist groups including Al Qaeda.

    Some are even believed to have attended terror training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

    Their names feature on a secret list of alleged radicals said to be working in the Metropolitan and other forces.

    The dossier was drawn up with the help of MI5 amid fears that individuals linked to Islamic extremism are taking advantage of police attempts to increase the proportion of ethnic staff.

    Astonishingly, many of the alleged jihadists have not been sacked because - it is claimed - police do not have the "legal power" to dismiss them.

    We can also reveal that one suspected jihadist officer working in the South East has been allowed to keep his job despite being caught circulating Internet images of beheadings and roadside bombings in Iraq.

    He is said to have argued that he was trying to "enhance" debate about the war.

    Classified intelligence reports raising concerns about police staff's background cannot be used to justify their dismissal, sources said.

    Instead, the staff who are under suspicion are unofficially barred from working in sensitive posts and are closely monitored. Political correctness is blamed for the decision not to sack them.

    It is widely feared that "long-term" Al Qaeda sleepers are trying to infiltrate other public sector organisations in the UK.

    In November last year, it was revealed that a leading member of an extremist Islamic group was working as a senior official at the Home Office.

    MI5 has warned in the past that suspects with "strong links" to Osama Bin Laden's killers have tried to join the British security services and, in January, exiled radical Omar Bakri claimed that Islamic extremists were infiltrating the police and other public sector organisations.

    Suspicions are growing that the gang behind the failed London bomb attacks could have received inside information about rescue procedures in the aftermath of an atrocity in the capital.

    The Daily Mail can reveal that the second device parked near Haymarket was left at a designated "evacuation assembly point" where civilians and the emergency services would have gathered had the first bomb gone off.

    Investigators are trying to establish whether the bombers knew the significance of the location.

    Sources said it is unlikely that the Met is the only force which may have been infiltrated by Al Qaeda sympathisers.

    Omar Altimimi, a failed asylum seeker jailed for nine years yesterday for hoarding manuals on how to carry out car bombings, had applied to work as a cleaner for the Greater Manchester force.

    In a separate development, it is understood that a policeman was removed from his post after concerns about his conduct in the aftermath of a major anti-terrorist operation in the past two years.

    For legal reasons, the Mail cannot reveal any more about the case.

    The MI5 list of suspected Islamists working in the police is said to have been drawn up in the aftermath of the 7/7 terror attacks in London.

    MI5 checked staff details at the Met and other forces with intelligence databases on individuals said to have attended radical Islamic schools - or Madrassas - and terror training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    It is thought that intelligence files on those who frequently visit pro-Jihad websites and who have associated with so-called preachers of hate were also compared to details of officers and civilian staff in the Met.

    As a result of the review, eight officers and civilian staff were identified as Al Qaeda sympathisers or people of concern because of their links to Islamic extremists.

    The disclosure will raise concerns about the system for vetting new recruits, each of whom is the subject of counter-terrorism checks to ensure they are suitable to join the police. Scotland Yard's vetting unit is regarded as one of the best in the country.

    But sources said it is often impossible to carry out satisfactory checks on recruits who were raised overseas or who have spent considerable periods out of Britain before applying to join the Met.

    In such cases, the Met has to rely on overseas agencies to carry out intelligence checks on their behalf. Privately, officials doubt whether certain countries in Africa, Middle East or the Indian sub-continent are able to carry out meaningful vetting.

    As a result of the Stephen Lawrence public inquiry report, which accused the Met of being "institutionally racist", Scotland Yard has in recent years employed thousands of officers and civilian staff from the ethnic minorities in an attempt to reach recruitment targets.

    A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "All employees upon joining the Met and during their careers undergo a range of security checks. These are robust and vary according to the type and sensitivity of individual postings.

    "We take matters of security very seriously and if an issue arises, people may be subjected to further assessment.

    "This may lead to restrictions in relation to where an individual works in the organisation or whether they are suitable to remain in the service."
  2. NHS and now the police which organisation next ? it's a sodding joke.

    Fifth column anyone ?
  3. Find them, Fix them, use them or Get rid of them but to do nothing destroys any credability the Police have.
  4. Schaden

    Schaden LE Book Reviewer

    Gosh no links to where the information came from???? People will be saying you're making things up next!
  5. Another OMG sourced story?..without a doubt that vetting and checks have been slack and in some cases worthless since they predominatly have been contracted out to private firms ..... Surly that is the story!!!! government makes savings closeing civil service posts too allows terrorists criminals illegal immigrants to work in UK as cheap vetting saves them money?
  6. Considering that (for instance) the immigration service has something like a 30% representation from the "minority" ethnic population (which comprises 6.5% of the whole), and further examining the results of recent polls which show significant percentages of muslim disgruntlement with our society, it doesn't surely need much noodle to realise that the likelihood of there being such people within most of our institutions is very high indeed. Nothing like multiculturalism, eh?
  7. Only 8? I demand a recount.
  8. Schaden likns here ;)

    for the This is London link:
  9. You and your liberal views always make excuses for extremists, why is that ?

    jimknob, Sven etc etc will be along to make excuses anytime soon :roll:
  10. While I wouldn't be shocked if it is true, this story has come from the Mail...

  11. ERMMM not excuses weres the excuse but of course no matter that proper vetting is not seen as important because of costs ....your realy a kn0b ....

    edited for arrse grammar [hr]auses's but[/hr]
  12. In today's PC Police,multiculturalism is more important,than having proper staff in place.Let's face it,Chief Officers would rather be known for promoting multiculturalism than opposing it,whatever the consequences.After all,that's why they are promoted!
  13. I've marked your mistakes for you.
  14. "Considering that (for instance) the immigration service has something like a 30% representation from the "minority" ethnic population (which comprises 6.5% of the whole), and further examining the results of recent polls which show significant percentages of muslim disgruntlement with our society, it doesn't surely need much noodle to realise that the likelihood of there being such people within most of our institutions is very high indeed. Nothing like multiculturalism, eh"?

    Where do these figures come from? Are you talking across the service (UK Immigration Service no longer exists, it is now a "shadow" Agency). I am not having a pop, just curious as to the source of this information. Could it be demigraphic? I work in the IS (can't stand the re-branding!) in a fairly large area of operations and would suggest that the minority representation is very low indeed, probably around 3% (if that) in my 'district'. Perhaps the 30 % is reflective of say, the London area....I guess that this would reflect the geographical placement of 'minority' groups. I only ask, as there is currently a lot of scare mongering going on. The threat is very real and very present, but I can assure you that the vetting procedure does work. (that is not to say that there havent been mistakes, just to say since these mistakes things have improved).
  15. That figure comes from MigrationWatch. I'm afraid I have no link to it, but it was in an article in the Telegraph a couple of days ago. Apparently Sir Andrew Green (the founder of MW) found himself being accused of inflating his estimates, so he decided to ask the various official bodies he had quoted(Immigration etc) what the representation of 'minorities' was in them.

    He found that his there was an average of (IIRC) 27% 'minority' personnel employed in them. His figures tended to be around a quarter of those quoted by the agencies (the 30% figure was for one of the other Home-Office-sponsored groups). This would mean that the positive discrimination in favour of 'minorities' gave them a x4 chance of employment over native Britons in those services.

    It also meant that the concentration of possibly antagonistic aliens in these services was likely to be equally high. He states that the percentage of people in minority ethnic groups within the general population is 6.5% If anyone has more accurate figures, feel free.