Education. "Retired whore says standards were tending to go down in her brothel"

#2
Remember, if you have a population that cannot read or write properly, is largely innumerate and has never been taught to think clearly and logically, then that population is unlikely to mount a meaningful opposition to you whilst you are in government.

Hey! Presto! You remain in power for ever!

Remind yourselves you was 'in charge' of education in the dog days of the last misgovernment: none other than the public school and Oxford educated Balls. Balls a quasi Marxist and 'leveller' if ever there was one.

"Education, education, education" - one of the great lies from one of the greatest liars!
 
#3
Remember, if you have a population that cannot read or write properly, is largely innumerate and has never been taught to think clearly and logically, then that population is unlikely to mount a meaningful opposition to you whilst you are in government.
Hence the Labour Movement in the first place.
 

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#4
Indeed, the perpetuation of Socialism positively requires an uneducated lumpen proletariat. Which is why it is given incentives to out-breed its betters, to live on benefit and breed like rats.
 
#5
Funny the thickest people I've met have been the most "moral" and conservative (least likley to use a knocking shop), the most inteligent have been liberal minded.
 
#6
Hence the Labour Movement in the first place.
Which is a deep shame and a betrayal of a core of early Labour beliefs. Education and self improvement were part and parcel of the early 20th Century working class. You lok at the history of any of the pure working class villages built to house coal workers or steel workers and there were dozens of clubs devoted to reading, opera, education and any form of self Improvment. The Workers’ Educational Association grew so large because of the involvement and support of the Trade Unions and the Labour Movement in the 1910's and 20s'.

You look at the what is laughingly called the Labour party now and it has nothing to do with the working classes and everything to do with the doctrinal **** fantasies of a privileged few.
 
#7
I am from a generation in which Social Mobility was probably at its highest in the past 70 years .

Regrettably we now live in a society in which the word “Fail “ , in examinations , may soon be removed from the English Dictionary . I have a lot of sympathy with students now because the real value of examination results is how they are perceived in the “ Real World “ of employment . Sadly they would appear to be poorly perceived , not the fault of the students but the system , which must change .


I studied for my O and A Levels in the 1950’s and 1960’s and can well remember using previous papers to try and determine “ Banker “ type questions which , with subtle variations , may come around for my examination papers . No modular papers , fail one paper and you had to resit all associated with that subject including practical work ( Physics , Chemistry etc . ) and oral test ( Languages ) . There was a real incentive to pass first time . I believe that at that time the O and A Level were perceived to have been really earned and were thus highly rated in the “ Real World “ .

Later I well remember taking a series of examinations for membership of the Institution of Electrical Engineers when not a single person on my course passed , due to a misinterpretation of the IEE syllabus which was vague to say the least . The IEE set all of the Examination Papers . One of the mathematics questions which I shall never forget was “ Derive from first principles the calculation of Standard Deviation “ . The IEE expected Members to really understand what they were doing and to be able to prove they really understood what they were doing . Exceptionally we were allowed a resit , the only one in my life .

I have a suspicion that the ever increasing attainments of students over the past ~20 years may not be real and I say again that may be detrimental to the students when they go to seek employment
 
#8
Funny the thickest people I've met have been the most "moral" and conservative (least likley to use a knocking shop), the most inteligent have been liberal minded.
Spelling was not a strong point of Labour education policies obviously. Pot, kettle black methinks.
 
#9
Interesting story in one of the papers a while ago. Married couple move to a new area and enrol their daughter in the local primary school. On visiting the class room, they notice that many of the posters and drawings that the teacher has made feature basic spelling mistakes. The headmaster explains that their daughter's teacher is severely dyslexic but the school governors decided that this was a disability so they could not discriminate. Generations of kids will have their education blighted so that one woman can do a job that she is not physically qualified for.

They then meet the classroom assistant who will be joining the class next year. She hasn't a GCSE to her name and was working on a till in Woolworths till she got made redundant. Luckily, she managed to find an "access to teaching" course that not only required no entry qualifications but that featured no exams either. The assistant explains that her course was graded purely by continuous assessment and that this suited her very well since, as a committed socialist, she believed that exams are elitist.

The couple moved their kid to a private school within a week.

IIRC, OECD reckons that about 15% of UK school leavers are "functionally illiterate". This puts us in the same league as countries like Lesotho and Jamaica. Many others have "sub-primary" levels of literacy and numeracy and cannot manage in the workplace despite having a fistful of GCSEs.

13 years of a government that viewed state schools as vehicles for social(ist) engineering while sending their own kids to private schools (yes Diane - we're talking about you) has wrecked education in this country. Politicians that encourage state schools to give the kids days off to protest against Trident while their own kids are learning Latin verbs and donning an officer's uniform in the CCF are beneath contempt.
 
#11
And Ghana: BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Learning the work ethic in Ghana


The boys say their experiences in Ghana are completely unlike those they are accustomed to in the UK.

"In London, if you aren't scared of anything and act like a gangster you're popular. As long as you've got girls, money and your crew, you're fine," says Crispin Antwi, 15, from Camberwell.

"Over there if you do well people call you a boffin.

"But in Ghana everyone is given a position in class depending on how well they perform and you don't want to be last because you'll look stupid."
 
#12
IGCSEs need to be implemented across the board.
Wipe the smile off of the faces of those 'teaching is getting better in state schools' bastards when their 'learners' (Labour vocab guideline) encounter a question that asks them to do more than multiple choice.
 
#13
IGCSEs need to be implemented across the board.
Wipe the smile off of the faces of those 'teaching is getting better in state schools' bastards when their 'learners' (Labour vocab guideline) encounter a question that asks them to do more than multiple choice.
Multiple Choice Questions ! Tick Box Answers ! ... well the only choices I ever had when I took my O and A Levels were of the form " Answer Q1 , so no choice at all there , and then any 2 from section 2 and then 2 from section 3 " . There then followed a warning that answering more than that in a specific section they would not be marked ... at least that confirmed candidates could read . I well remember being informed that O Levels were to prove the acquisition of the basic knowledge of a subject however A Levels were to demonstrate further knowledge and the application of that knowledge as part of the preparation for University . Log tables were allowed but the flow of proof in mathematical questions had to be demonstrated .
 
#15
Could be interesting? BBC News - What's wrong with our schools?

As I don´t live in GB I can´t really comment but It looks as though there are some dedicated teachers out there,It´s just weeding out the loony left dinosaurs that insist on dumbing down instead of execellence.To be broadcast on BBC 2 on Monday.
 
#16
13 years of government policy? It goes back a lot longer than that! I was back to UK in 1981. My daughter had always attended service schools (Cyprus and Germany) and I took her to enrol in the local secondary school in Loughborough at age 11. Two weeks later, we had one of those Parent/Teacher thingies. The headmaster told me they didn't have "streams" and my daughter was in 1L. (As in Loughborough School, so 1L, 1O, 1U etc. she was in the L for school). However, they split each class into "ability" and my daughter was in the lowest ability group for English. Now, I first thought the service schools were crap which was why she was so low down. "Strange," says I, "she was usually pretty good at English." "Oh, yes," quoth the head, "she is, but we put her in the lower class to help out those who don't have English as first language."
Funnily enough, the next day I took advantage of the Boarding School Allowance and off she went.
Edyoomakayshun has been a disgrace in UK for many years and is on a downward spiral, I'm afraid.
(And this from someone who failed his 11 plus)
 
#17
What I cannot get my head around is that when I was at school in the 1940’s , 50’s we were in a post World War situation and this country was almost bankrupt . I was regularly in classes of 40+ pupils , old text books , minimal heating and most things in life on the “ Ration “ but fortunately looking back the teachers must have been excellent .

I have no idea what proportion of the population were receiving a Private Education at that time but it cannot have been very high . The norm was attending your local school .

Myself and all of my friends came from Working Class background and the education system seemed to work . I was fortunate in passing the Over Age Examination and went to a Grammar School . Many of my friend went down the route of Apprenticeship and the HNC , HND part time education path to becoming members of Professional Institutions . I raise my hat to them as this route could be long and demanding , certainly in terms of lost leisure time . All did well in their careers . As I have said earlier perhaps we were fortunate to be in a generation which gave the opportunity, if you worked hard, to enable high levels of social mobility .

Now the resources available and general lifestyle compared to when I was at school are just incredible …. for a starter neither food , clothes nor fuel are on “ Ration “ … and with all the advances on the IT front we should be producing people with cutting edge skills to develop and ensure the economic safety of our country . At the end of the day that is what is all about and if we continue to effectively fool ourselves that we do not have an education problem we will really become a third or fourth rate nation . I heard today that there is some friction in the Political Alliance because Vince Cable wants a relaxation of the Immigration Rules following pressure from Business Leaders that they cannot recruit personnel with the correct skills . What on earth are all the graduates we are educating studying …. presumably not subjects where we have a demand in the market place .

I get the impression that Education now , in some areas such as Universities , Exam Boards is big business and perhaps the fundamental purpose i.e. to develop young people to satisfy the needs of the nation may have been lost . It all seems to be about targets , ratings associated with ever increasing levels of achievement in examinations …. or so we are led to believe . .

I do not know how to rectify the situation for if I did I could earn some handsome money but we do have a big problem which requires a root and branch solution if we as a nation are not to fail our young people and young people are not to fail the nation .

Rant over .


 
#18
13 years of government policy? It goes back a lot longer than that! I was back to UK in 1981. My daughter had always attended service schools (Cyprus and Germany) and I took her to enrol in the local secondary school in Loughborough at age 11. Two weeks later, we had one of those Parent/Teacher thingies. The headmaster told me they didn't have "streams" and my daughter was in 1L. (As in Loughborough School, so 1L, 1O, 1U etc. she was in the L for school). However, they split each class into "ability" and my daughter was in the lowest ability group for English. Now, I first thought the service schools were crap which was why she was so low down. "Strange," says I, "she was usually pretty good at English." "Oh, yes," quoth the head, "she is, but we put her in the lower class to help out those who don't have English as first language."
Funnily enough, the next day I took advantage of the Boarding School Allowance and off she went.
Edyoomakayshun has been a disgrace in UK for many years and is on a downward spiral, I'm afraid.
(And this from someone who failed his 11 plus)
Yes it has been going on longer than that. In the early sixties I, having failed the 11 plus attended a Catholic school (St Mary's, Chesterfield) the teaching there was first rate and I was studying for about 7 GCE's, the schools reasoning was that the more you learned when you were young, the more choices you would have at higher education. Due to family circumstances I had to leave St Mary's and switched to the nearer Freshville Secondary Modern, a flagship of the Socialist education system. My interview with a **** called Bennet, who did headmaster impressions was short and sweet: "So you were doing GCE's at your last school?" "Yes Sir". "Well you listen to me, you don't need GCE's to work in't pit or down't coal mine, and that's where you will be going when you leave school. So I am putting you in the remedial class where you will stay until you leave school."

Bastard.
 
#19
Childhood, just like the rest of life - you only get one chance.

msr
 
#20
I suppose the rot must have started in the sixties when long haired students,ban the bomb and make love not war fraternity started to become fashionable and these students because they wanted school holidays for life became ´teachers´?
The abolution of the Grammer Schools was possibly the greatest mistake ever made in education and unless the brighter kids are given a chance to excell and not be held back by those who don´t want to get on nothing will change;However If the teacher can´t teach and is of such a low standard it doesn´t matter how hard the kids learn, they´ll never get anywhere.
Young adults shouldn´t be allowed to leave school if they can´t read,write or have the articulation skills for a job interview,if a normal child can´t read or write after 11 years of school then something has gone terribly wrong and some teachers must ask themselves if they´re in the right job.
There are people trying to change the present system of educational mediocrity but there´s a long way to go,there´s not much time to make sure that Britain doesn´t end up in the chaos that some teachers and Headmasters are seemingly devoted to attaining.

Some light at the end of the tunnel? http://www.ssatrust.org.uk
And If you know somebody that has learning difficulties try this lot as dyslexia might be just one of their problems http:// Irlen Institute, Colored Lenses, Colored Overlays, Diagnosticians, Screeners
 

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