Education Possibilities

#1
Hey Guys,

I just wanted to throw a few questions out with regards to Education within the Intelligence Corps. I'm still researching and deciding on whether a position as an OPMI within the Int Corps is for me, but at the moment I'm confident it's a strong possibility that I'll be attempting to join within the next few months.

One thing that is important to me is Education. In the brochure that I have, it mentioned very generically about the opportunity to get a Degree in Intelligence or Security Services.

I would really appreciate anyone's input on this, but my questions are - being optimistic, let's say for example I'm successful with my Application and I'm now beginning Phase 2 Training at Chicksands. How would I go about obtaining a Degree, and how long would it last for exactly? Would it beginning at Phase 2 or would I have to have a certain rank such as Corporal?

As said, I really really do appreciate all of your help on this. What I primarily want to focus on is becoming a Sargent and achieve a Degree with Intelligence before I leave.

Thanks in advance and god bless,
STB.
 
#2
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

CR are you up to your old tricks again??
 
#3
Not quite the response I was looking for ... but I guess beggers' can't be choosers.

Thanks, urh, for the useful information.

The culture of this forum strikes me ... or should I say confuses me. As mentioned, I really would appreciate some helpful information on the questions I originally posted.

If that's too much or if the culture is to continue to flame, abuse or just be sarcastic to curious folks, then please kindly show me the door and I'll kindly turn the lights off behind me.
 
#4
Learning to spel Sergeant and beggars korrectly would be a vital start to your edukation......
 
#5
Learning to spel Sergeant and beggars korrectly would be a vital start to your edukation......
Are you serious? Wow.

Not a great way to make new users feel welcomed. This community is supposed to present the British Army, and what a great job you're doing by flaming, or in your case being pessimistic and sarcastic, which according to Wikipedia can be a form of mental bullying.

It's a forum, an online community, a place for open discussion and the like. If you don't like what I write, then don't reply. If you're so intent on trying to belittle people then wear stilts or high heels with that blouse you have. I never knew the formality of what I write was being assessed and scrutinised...

Don't worry. I'll show my self out.
STB.

By the way, "InVinoVeritas" is misspelled incorrectly. I believe the word your looking for is "********".
 
#6
Sergeant to Be

If you recall in my reply to your PM, I warned you what to expect ! There are a number of threads on this forum from potential recruits or transferees whose aspirations at joining the Corps have been set too high. Please take my advice and read these threads carefully, you will find amongst the personal jibes and attacks that there are others with some very sound advice. The simple advice given to you above about the correct spelling to be used is, contrary to what you believe, sound and relevant.
 
#7
On the note of educational opportunities in the corps, what qualifications can we actually gain through the corps?

I ask because it came up in a discussion in the office earlier today and nobody seemed to have a clue.
 
#8
Are you serious? Wow.

Not a great way to make new users feel welcomed. This community is supposed to present the British Army, and what a great job you're doing by flaming, or in your case being pessimistic and sarcastic, which according to Wikipedia can be a form of mental bullying.

It's a forum, an online community, a place for open discussion and the like. If you don't like what I write, then don't reply. If you're so intent on trying to belittle people then wear stilts or high heels with that blouse you have. I never knew the formality of what I write was being assessed and scrutinised...

Don't worry. I'll show my self out.
STB.

By the way, "InVinoVeritas" is misspelled incorrectly. I believe the word your looking for is "********".


Let me get this straight, you had to look up Wikipedia to find out what pessimistic and sarcastic meant?
 
#9
Let me get this straight, you had to look up Wikipedia to find out what pessimistic and sarcastic meant?
No, fatboy69.

Perhaps you should look up "providing a reputable reference", or at the least what "providing sources" means. To shine some light on those that aren't very good at interpreting, then it was a polite way of classing the individual as a bully.

If you don't know what a bully is, then please Google it. I'll be more than happy to provide links for those that require it.

Sergeant to Be

If you recall in my reply to your PM, I warned you what to expect ! There are a number of threads on this forum from potential recruits or transferees whose aspirations at joining the Corps have been set too high. Please take my advice and read these threads carefully, you will find amongst the personal jibes and attacks that there are others with some very sound advice. The simple advice given to you above about the correct spelling to be used is, contrary to what you believe, sound and relevant.
I know there are some helpful and polite individuals on this forum. It's obviously clear the majority aren't active - whether they continue to lurk because of the possibility of getting flamed or just the general culture puts them off on contributing, I don't know - but I've been put off straight away.

Once again HIGHLANDER_SPY, thank you for your input, it is appreciated. Your quite right when you mentioned to me about what I should I expect - reading some of the forums, I prepared myself.

It really is striking at how these guys think - not much support or encouragement, in fact, nothing polite! Nothing was nasty in my OP, nothing. I'm a potential recruit. Just think back when you guys had bags of questions and was thinking of joining - the last thing you'd want is to be harassed by a bunch of Dogs whose bark is worse then their bite.

If this is the sort of person the British Army turns you into, then count me out. But, once again HIGHLANDER_SPY, thank you and I'll definitely follow the advice in your PM!
 
#10
Young man, the British Army does not lower itself to bullying. The "flaming" you speak of is simply the manner in which squaddies educate each other. The intention is rarely to offend, and squaddies haven't really adopted the theory that bullying is determined by those offended rather than the manner in which the comments were intended.

Learn yourself good.

There are plenty of helpful and polite members, and some extremely knowledgable ones. The two don't necessarily go hand in hand. Trawl through the crap to find the gems. As it is, I doubt anybody lurks for fear of getting shot down. They simply don't post many questions because they've:

a) Used the bloody search function
or
b) Done their source appraisal and realised there are far more accurate arenas that an open forum, mainly inhabited by civvies.

Don't be so bloody precious, you can't afford to be if you do decide to take the shilling.
 
#11
STB,

K613 was attempting to see if you were an habitual poster and mod (CR) who has in the past successfully wound up several (myself inc) with posts. Your initial post and handle fit the bill. Unfortunately you came back with quite a snide post. Water, bridge etc

For yourself and Crazyeyes, the Corps and Army as a whole can provide you with a very good education. The Army will pay for some elements of the OU and through your experience of working within the Corps you can qualify for a host of NVQ and C&Gs. Salford Uni also run a distance Masters that anyone can go for.

As for this site and forum. This site is not an official British Army site, in fact it is only tolerated by the powers that be. That said, the majority of people who post on here are serving or ex-serving forces. We can be quite acerbic and grumpy twats. Learn to welcome it, don't take it too seriously and join in.
 
#12
STB,

K613 was attempting to see if you were an habitual poster and mod (CR) who has in the past successfully wound up several (myself inc) with posts. Your initial post and handle fit the bill. Unfortunately you came back with quite a snide post. Water, bridge etc

For yourself and Crazyeyes, the Corps and Army as a whole can provide you with a very good education. The Army will pay for some elements of the OU and through your experience of working within the Corps you can qualify for a host of NVQ and C&Gs. Salford Uni also run a distance Masters that anyone can go for.

As for this site and forum. This is not site is not an official British Army site, in fact it is only tolerated by the powers that be. That said, the majority of people who post on here are serving or ex-serving forces. We can be quite acerbic and grumpy twats. Learn to welcome it, don't take it too seriously and join in.
I understand that perhaps I came in heavy footed - having seen some posts before hand, my initial opinion wasn't too highly rated, so I guess I fired to soon (no pun intended). But as you mentioned, water under the bridge.

I really do appreciate the advice, so thank you. I've in fact just receive 6 prospectus's from the OU and plan on making a start with a Certificate of Higher Education, which I soon want to progress up to a Diploma, and then a Degree. Having a quick glance, the total cost would be around £3,250 - I'm sure funding that wouldn't be a problem if I am successfully enrolled in the Army as I'll qualify for financial support, but would I be able to start the courses whenever I like or is there a certain time period the Army recommends? I guess the more appropriate question would be does the Army offer support and encouragement for distance learning with the OU specifically?

I don't think it would be a good idea to start during Phase 1 since the workload may take it's toll - once I'm used to Army life then I'll be able to go out full steam.

On the OPMI Job Spec, it mentions "civilian qualifications up to degree level exists in Intelligence and Security Management as well as languages" ... would I be right in assuming they'll provide the support financially for certain courses with the OU?

Once again Howayman, your advice really is appreciated. From now on, I'll try not to take anything too seriously, and take everything with a pinch of salt.

Thanks again,
STB.
 
#13
Young man, the British Army does not lower itself to bullying. The "flaming" you speak of is simply the manner in which squaddies educate each other. The intention is rarely to offend, and squaddies haven't really adopted the theory that bullying is determined by those offended rather than the manner in which the comments were intended.

Learn yourself good.

There are plenty of helpful and polite members, and some extremely knowledgable ones. The two don't necessarily go hand in hand. Trawl through the crap to find the gems. As it is, I doubt anybody lurks for fear of getting shot down. They simply don't post many questions because they've:

a) Used the bloody search function
or
b) Done their source appraisal and realised there are far more accurate arenas that an open forum, mainly inhabited by civvies.

Don't be so bloody precious, you can't afford to be if you do decide to take the shilling.
I'll take your advice. Although, the search function could do with an upgrade! :)
 
#14
On the note of educational opportunities in the corps, what qualifications can we actually gain through the corps?

I ask because it came up in a discussion in the office earlier today and nobody seemed to have a clue.
Once you get the rank of Sgt you can apply for City and Guilds quals in Int and CI. These start off at the equivalent of a foundation degree and the further up the food chain you get the higher the award you can apply for. All that's required is a CV and a letter from your Co sent to D INT. A red arsse like you might have to wait a few years though!
 
#15
On the note of educational opportunities in the corps, what qualifications can we actually gain through the corps?

I ask because it came up in a discussion in the office earlier today and nobody seemed to have a clue.
If you are all members of the Corps, and none of you have a clue, I would say that you are all well qualified for a life of crystal ball gazing, wild arsed guessing, URINT and baffling people with references to JSP 440.

Many of us on here didn't have a clue for years and had very successful careers in the Corps.
 
#16
If you are all members of the Corps, and none of you have a clue, I would say that you are all well qualified for a life of crystal ball gazing, wild arsed guessing, URINT and baffling people with references to JSP 440.

Many of us on here didn't have a clue for years and had very successful careers in the Corps.
I guess it's one of those things isn't it - if you don't be proactive and do it yourself then you'll never know .. I guess that's the advantage of having such high ambition! I was hoping the Army offered support and encouragement for Distance Learning, specifically studying with the OU - but it looks like if I were to join the Corps I'd have to follow the Civilian route if I wanted to obtain a Degree.

Thanks for all of your help guys.
STB.
 
#17
Distance learning through the OU can be part funded with learning credits, these vary with amounts depending on service length. I would wait a while though to start as the amount of time a commitment they can take is considerable (coming to the end of my 3.5 year MBA soon). You will be learning enough, both trade and life in your nascent Corps years without unnecessary distraction. Enjoy them to the full as they will some of the best times you can have (unless you go to Bulford).

Good luck.
 
#18
I think you have missed my point STB. You will be able to claim to a very small sum of money per annum to assist with your education, usually expected to be a contribution towards your OU fees. If you join as an officer you may, but it's very rare, be given an opportunity to undergo a degree course at university. I cannot comment about learning languages to degree level, I only speak very poor English littered with profanities.

And my point was that you don't need to have degree level education to progress in the Int Corps, you have to have a knack for something and lots of the posters on these hallowed threads have got one, some even have two, for example those that fly helicopters, or work in call centres, or have memories like Highlander Spy.
 
#19
Distance learning through the OU can be part funded with learning credits, these vary with amounts depending on service length. I would wait a while though to start as the amount of time a commitment they can take is considerable (coming to the end of my 3.5 year MBA soon). You will be learning enough, both trade and life in your nascent Corps years without unnecessary distraction. Enjoy them to the full as they will some of the best times you can have (unless you go to Bulford).

Good luck.
Thanks for the info, it's really appreciated. I guess I'll add "Bulford" to the forever long "Avoid" list that goes hand in hand with my insane expectations list - yes, it's an issue! I'm learning ...

Thanks again!

I think you have missed my point STB. You will be able to claim to a very small sum of money per annum to assist with your education, usually expected to be a contribution towards your OU fees. If you join as an officer you may, but it's very rare, be given an opportunity to undergo a degree course at university. I cannot comment about learning languages to degree level, I only speak very poor English littered with profanities.

And my point was that you don't need to have degree level education to progress in the Int Corps, you have to have a knack for something and lots of the posters on these hallowed threads have got one, some even have two, for example those that fly helicopters, or work in call centres, or have memories like Highlander Spy.
Thanks for the clarification, it's appreciated. From my research particularly on the MOD website it's clear that if you join as a Soldier then Education doesn't tend to have that much of an effect on going up the ranks - it's obviously all based on progression and time served, but the reason why I wish to obtain a Degree is for ambitions I have after the Army. Certain organizations require it, and think highly of it - in fact a few particular organizations I wish to join after the Army highly rate individuals that have both a Degree and a Military Background.

Confusion is settling in once again, but I guess I'm going to have to continue researching - the majority of the questions are far too specific that I know I'll never get an answer to until I've completed at least 4 years! I guess a hint of mystery is good, because it means I won't build up any expectations which always is a good thing. But I guess that's the thing I should focus on next, remove all my expectations and use my ambition as my guide and my motivation - thank's ARRSE for en-lighting me on that!

It's a very serious decision, so I thank you all for your input and helpful advice - it's appreciated - I like to think every day I'm getting closer and closer to make a definite yes, or maybe no?!

Thanks again and all the best,
STB.
 
#20
My apologies for being a dick in my earlier post, but I enjoy it.

Just a couple of things to be aware of which may already have been mentioned. As far as financial help goes, there is a yearly allowance known as the Standard Learning Credit of which I believe you can claim up to £175 per annum. Not much help towards the cost of a degree but it's a start.
There is also the Enhanced Learning Credit fund available. You will not have access to this though until you have served a minimum of 4 years. This will give you access to a total of 3 claims, one per financial year. After 4 years service you can claim up to £1000 per application, after 8 years service the amount you can claim goes up to £2000. It's 3 claims in total though, so it may work out better for some to wait for the 8 year point.
If you have the time, I wouldn't wait, start work now, the O.U has some good financial support, you may be suprised at what you can get from them. Even if you only get the Cert HE out the way it's a start and about what, 100 points towards your degree? Time passes quickly and it's easy to get distracted once you get that dpm suit on.

Look carefully though in to what is actually being offered qualification wise when you join, be particularly attuned to all the "it's the equivalent of a degree" crap that the army likes to push. Read in to that as - it's not a degree.

Best of luck with your chosen career.
 

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