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Do you see a neo-cold war looming?

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#4
New Cold War my arse. With oil heading south of $100 a barrel and getting ever closer to the Russian pain point of $72 a barrel, the Russian Stock Exchange closed after at least £35Bn foreign investment fled the country after Georgia, even with a $100Bn defence budget, the Russians will be lucky to maintain the very poor capability they still possess.

On the other hand, we shouldn't underestimate just how misunderstood and unjustly villifed they're feeling - they've just successfully defended their passport holders in South Ossetia from genocidal Georgian aggression and have served the cause of peace by disarming the dangerously out of control Georgian armed forces, have withdrawn, ahead of schedule, to the buffer zone they agreed with Saakashvili and we're bumping our gums about a new Cold War.
 
#5
Dontdreamit said:
I am aware of the other threads... but surely we should be adding the analysis around the Arrse bird table - let's get amongst it!

ARRC versus 2 CAAC etc etc...

Insert opintel jokes as req.
I believe the CAAC of choice is 7. I'll get my coat.............
 
#7
While I'm in a ranting mood, I know we now call Combat Int 'Operational Intelligence' but why the fuck is this being shortened to OPINTEL? Surely the correct abbreviation for Operational Intelligence is Op Int?
 
#8
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
Sure the correct abbreviation for Operational Intelligence is Op Int?
I find that JWP2-00, written in the main by an Army officer, is quite helpful in providing a doctrinally correct definition of OPINTEL.
 
#11
You seem to need to be reminded about a number of things, these days.

Fortunately, I was able to remind you where to look, we have only been using the term for 8 years now. It's obvious that you have forgotten more than I could ever hope to know.

Do you need any help working out which is the "old pattern" stable belt. At least the RAF, being less susceptible to the whims of fashion, only has one style to remember.

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#12
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
adastra said:
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
Sure the correct abbreviation for Operational Intelligence is Op Int?
I find that JWP2-00, written in the main by an Army officer, is quite helpful in providing a doctrinally correct definition of OPINTEL.
Remind me again, what the fuck would you know about it?
Op Int, ignore him, he is way above the likes of you and me. We don't even feature on his radar when it comes to answering PM's. You'd at least think he would have the courage of his convictions when asked to explain him/herself!

As for your point about Opintel. A fair one. It was probably conjured up by some non G2 officer who probably refers to recce as recon also. :wink:
 
#18
Revamping GENFORCE sounds like a quality plan. Judging by the tat that Ivan assembled for the Georgia job, we can bin off all those T-90s, 9P151s and BMP-3s we're so keen on pretending exist.
 
#19
Aren't we missing the point ? Back in the day there was no such thing as GENFOR, when we wanted en orbats for high intensity warfare we used the real world orbats from the most likely candidate - namely the Red Army.

When the Soviet Union imploded we needed something to stick on a map and GENFOR was born. Of course in those days it was a clone of the Red Army Div centred force. As things moved on ann countries moved towards Western Bde orbats we invented GENFOR Mobile, which as the wheels turned some more turned into GENFOR and the original GENFOR disappeared from view.

So (and I admit I've taken a while to get to the point) if we want to plan for fighting the Russians again ... let's just use Russian ORBATS. Then we re-introduce the real world complexity and nuances that make the difference between average and good training.
 

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