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eBay, Amazon et al..

#1
Apologies for being thick, but is it as simple as clicking on the button here on ARRSE and then just carrying on normal jogging on the website, i.e. logging into my personal account to buy and sell etc? From which actions does ARRSE profit, just a winning bid or putting something up for auction as well? Keen to help, especially as I now have ad block.
 
#2
Thanks for asking - appreciated. For Amazon we get a small amount of anything bought within 24 hours. Off the top of my head 1 or 2% for low margin stuff - computers, games etc., up to 5% for high margin things. I haven't worked out the eBay system yet as it's a mix of clicks and % of purchases - but it's along the same lines.

We are just about to offer ad-free ARRSE for a small charge for those, like yourself, that want to be rid of ads, but still contribute. It does a better job than an ad blocker and remove right column blocks, header tabs etc, that you probably still see, as well as reducing the bandwidth needed for the site. More to the point of course it helps with income.

It's actually already live - in your settings->paid subscriptions, but still has rough edges such as no nice 'thank you' after you've paid, so I haven't advertised it. There are also a couple of other issues such as trying to give free subscriptions to those who've donated a reasonable amount in the past, and in fact what to do with the donations system. I digress.... it's here if you would like to support the cause:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/payments.php
 
#3
Good CO
Any way that the Ad-Free subscription can be taken out without using paypal? I was "ID-thefted" through them last year and have chinned them off totally, so would need an alternative method of payment.

Cheers

Chas
 
#4
Good CO
Any way that the Ad-Free subscription can be taken out without using paypal? I was "ID-thefted" through them last year and have chinned them off totally, so would need an alternative method of payment.

Cheers

Chas
We'd love to offer alternatives but there aren't really any that don't have similar flaws. Happy if you have any suggestions though?
 
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Tinman74

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#5
We'd love to offer alternatives but there aren't really any that don't have similar flaws. Happy if you have any suggestions though?
Maybe a similar payment process that the legend that is PG uses for Hols4Heroes? paypal is a bit durch!!
 
#6
Don't they just ask for you to send money by bank transfer? If so, then that is extremely manpower intensive and probably not suitable for us.
 
#9
I've used Pay Pal for a couple of years for ebay both making and receiving payments without any drama's. We also use Pay Pal for our business. Although it's still in it's infancy, we haven't had any problems. They actually log onto a page on our site to pay.
 
#11
Credit card engine?
Perhaps.However to accept credit cards you need to have a "merchant bank" account and some sort of virtual card reader,or a dedicated phone line and someone to sit there all day and take card details over the phone.All of which costs money.
Not ideal for this site I imagine.

There is Worldpay - these are their costs.
Summary and costs

Business Gateway plus provides you everything you need to start collecting payments online.
Setup fee £100
Monthly fee £19.95 per month
Transaction fees From 1.4% + 15p per transaction to 2.95% + 20p per transaction *
* Dependent on transaction volume and type of business.
Call us on 0870 366 1290 to get the best pricing for your business.

Adelante MobilePOS mobile phone based payments system

MobilePOS - costs just £50 to get up and running. After that there is a monthly charge of £10 per month (per merchant account and not per users). This includes 40 free transactions. Any transactions over 40 in a single month are charged at 25p each. These charges are in addition to the banks transaction charges.

To find out more please complete the request for information form and someone will contact you to discuss your requirements in more detail.

I have not used either of these systems.
 
#12
Those both look interesting although fees aren't that different from Paypal. There is also the small matter of integrating it in the site to work with the subscriptions part of the website.

The bottom line is though, I simply don't see how this is better than a Paypal 'guest' payment?
 
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Tinman74

Guest
#13
Those both look interesting although fees aren't that different from Paypal. There is also the small matter of integrating it in the site to work with the subscriptions part of the website.

The bottom line is though, I simply don't see how this is better than a Paypal 'guest' payment?
Just logged on and paid like you have suggested. It was easy and quick!!!


Plus the advert have gone straight away.
 
#15
Thanks for asking - appreciated. For Amazon we get a small amount of anything bought within 24 hours. Off the top of my head 1 or 2% for low margin stuff - computers, games etc., up to 5% for high margin things. I haven't worked out the eBay system yet as it's a mix of clicks and % of purchases - but it's along the same lines.

We are just about to offer ad-free ARRSE for a small charge for those, like yourself, that want to be rid of ads, but still contribute. It does a better job than an ad blocker and remove right column blocks, header tabs etc, that you probably still see, as well as reducing the bandwidth needed for the site. More to the point of course it helps with income.

It's actually already live - in your settings->paid subscriptions, but still has rough edges such as no nice 'thank you' after you've paid, so I haven't advertised it. There are also a couple of other issues such as trying to give free subscriptions to those who've donated a reasonable amount in the past, and in fact what to do with the donations system. I digress.... it's here if you would like to support the cause:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/payments.php
bump
 
#16
OK, right: to go back to the original post, ARRSE only get money if I place a bid on an item which is then won within the next 24 hours? I'm a bit confused.
Apologies for missing this. We're not 100% sure how it works with ebay bids but think that if you place a bid within 24hrs and that bid wins at some point later (not necessarily within 24hrs) then we get a proportion of the fee ebay charges the seller.

Possibly!
 
#17
If you are able to bid in the last 5 seconds of the auction (sniping) then do it that way in a one-er. No point in pushing the price up a week before it ends!

I've won a lot of bargains doing that, especially if the auction end time is when people aren't thinking about EBay - early mornings are best. The 'Watched Item Ending' Email goes out about 4 hours before end time when people are asleep.


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#18
I tried using paypal with my site, but it was a pain to set up, and so I changed to Google wallet, piece of piss to integrate into the site, they do all the credit card processing etc. then they email you with order details, you ship, and then archive the order. payment is made direct in your bank account.

Charges are very simple unlike paypal.

Have a look at The paracord shop
 
#19
While I am a fan of Google, I am not a fan of Google Checkout. To start with it doesn't behave like a humble credit card processor - you need an account to use it, unlike Paypal, so putting an additional hurdle in the way of someone checking out. Added to that no existing extension seems to be available to use it for VBulletin subscriptions, so we would have to get it developed / DIY and I image we would need years of subscriptions to pay for the work necessary.

I have other issues with it that when used with e-commerce systems that are not important here - it takes the user away directly from the shopping cart. If a user wants to choose shipping options and perhaps puts in an overseas address so gets non-standard rates, or has a heavy order, it needs to call back to the parent website to get these, with a delay and failure if the connection to your shop fails. Same goes for tax. That makes e-commerce integration difficult and laggy for the user. With Paypal you can wait until everything is decided then just pay.

Thanks for the suggestion but Nay nay and thrice nay!
 

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