Eastleigh by-election result - postal vote shenanigans?

#1
22.50 Rowena Mason writes:

A source tells me it looks like the Liberal Democrats have won the postal votes, closely followed by the Tories, with Ukip quite a way behind. However, the feeling is that Ukip has done really very well in votes on the day. Lib Dems still seem fairly confident.

More than 14,200 postal votes were issued and more than 73 per cent of these were returned. The total electorate is just over 79,000.
Eastleigh by-election result: live - Telegraph

Why have postal votes become an accepted part of elections in this country? It used to be restricted to people who could show good reason why they couldn't make it to the polls.
 
#3
^ In a nutshell, yes. especially if you have lots of eerrrr...'interchangeable' Names.

This type of electoral fraud is becoming endemic in certain areas. It's time it was sorted.
 
#5
It used to be a pain in the 'arris to get a postal vote, it needs to return to being so. IIRC dodgy postal votes were a problem in the same areas where intimidation at poling stations was also cropping up.
 
#6
It used to be a pain in the 'arris to get a postal vote, it needs to return to being so. IIRC dodgy postal votes were a problem in the same areas where intimidation at poling stations was also cropping up.
Imagine being intimidated into voting Lib Dem.
 
#7
Postal votes are "money in the bank" to politicians and the amount cast for each candidate if the postal votes are counted before the actual election day can often be an indicator of how the count will go on the night so it's small wonder, politicians and political parties love them.

The vast majority of politicians from all parties will do their utmost to ensure that their postal votes are "clean" votes and they will actually scrutinize their opponents postal votes to see if they can spot problems or discrepancies.

The instances of fraudulent postal votes, i.e. votes from people who shouldn't be voting, dead people are a good example, is probably quite small. I think a bigger problem is where canvassers from political parties turn up at with postal vote forms at places like homes for the elderly and assist voters to fill in their forms. I'm certain that's abused and the rules need to be tightened up to stop it.
 
#8
The vast majority of politicians from all parties will do their utmost to ensure that their postal votes are "clean" votes and they will actually scrutinize their opponents postal votes to see if they can spot problems or discrepancies.

The instances of fraudulent postal votes, i.e. votes from people who shouldn't be voting, dead people are a good example, is probably quite small. I think a bigger problem is where canvassers from political parties turn up at with postal vote forms at places like homes for the elderly and assist voters to fill in their forms. I'm certain that's abused and the rules need to be tightened up to stop it.
Election Commissioner Richard Mawrey QC upheld allegations of postal fraud relating to six seats won by Labour in the ballot of 10 June last year.


The results have been declared void and the polls in two wards must be rerun.


"The system is wide open to fraud and any would-be political fraudster knows that," Judge Mawrey said.
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Judge Mawrey said evidence of "massive, systematic and organised fraud" in the campaign had made a mockery of the election and ruled that not less than 1,500 votes had been cast fraudulently in the city.

The deputy high court judge said the system was "hopelessly insecure" and expressed regret that recent warnings about the failings had been dismissed by the government as "scaremongering".

He criticised the government's insistence that the current postal voting system was working, adding: "Anybody who has sat through the case I have just tried and listened to evidence of electoral fraud that would disgrace a banana republic would find this statement surprising."
BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Midlands | Judge upholds vote-rigging claims

I'm sure it's all been tightened up since then though.
 
#9
#10
You quote one case about a single campaign and the opinion of a single judge, not evidence mind you, an opinion and you think that's proof that the whole system is corrupt.

The fact that this case got to court seems to me evidence that it's not endemic because there would be far more court cases!
It was a finding by a judge which led to elections being re-run - hardly an "opinion". A random one which I remembered from a while back, I'm sure I could find more if I could be bothered - how many do you need?

The logic behind the proposition that quoting a random example implies that it's not endemic is interesting.
 
#11
You misquote the judge. He directed that two ward elections have to be re-run and the entire country is tainted?

I hardly think so! Read it again!

The two wards were obviously proven to be fraudulent. It was his opinion about the rest of it.

Keep it in context!
 
#12
You misquote the judge. He directed that two ward elections have to be re-run and the entire country is tainted?

I hardly think so! Read it again!

The two wards were obviously proven to be fraudulent. It was his opinion about the rest of it.

Keep it in context!
Let's not.

For example, if the manufacturer of your car finds some examples of defective brakes in the same year/model and issues a recall, I suppose you could ignore it on the same basis as you've outlined.
 
#13
Let's not.

For example, if the manufacturer of your car finds some examples of defective brakes in the same year/model and issues a recall, I suppose you could ignore it on the same basis as you've outlined.
Is that the best comparison you can think of?
 

Grumblegrunt

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#14
Hooray everybody won! - apparently.
 

Flight

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#16
It is evident that none of the pro-EU parties can live with UKIP in a clean fight. The surge in Rotherham was put down to the fostering scandal, the surge in Eastleigh had no cause other than voters being canvassed on the doorstep or by phone.

This too in a predominantly white middle class area which had barely seen the effects of mass immigration.

It was only the libdems postal votes which saw them home, with more than 10000 votes cast by post ( apparently over 5000 going to the lib dems) before the real canvassing began. I can accept a small percentage of people who cannot get to the polls for legitimate reasons but when a quarter of the votes cast are done so by post it makes a mockery of the by election process.
 
#17
Labour 4th hahahahahahahahahahah!!
Labour were never in the running in this constituency so I'm afraid your jubilation means nothing. What's going to be interesting here is the ripple effect that this result will have on Conservatives in terms of their future direction and on Cameron specifically. There could well be a rather large storm in the not too distant future on his premiership caused by the eurosceptic MP's in his party on the back of this election result.
 
#18
For me, the most interesting political development was that a late surge by the "beer, baccy, and crumpet" party put them ahead of the monster raving loonies and the Christians.

:tongue:
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#19
is that the militant wing of portsmouths rum,bum and baccy party?
 
#20
is that the militant wing of portsmouths rum,bum and baccy party?
I think it may be the ex-army wing..I mean Jolly jack may have invented sex but it was percy pongo who introduced it to women.
 

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