East Germany in racist Neo-Nazi shocker - Tell us it isn't true Bugsy

#42
Ooh, Maypole!

Even I would never maintain that I know everything about the GDR, because I wasn't born and socialised there. But when I talk or write about the GDR, it's with some authority based on my personal experience; whereas you just rely on your counterparts knowing even less than you when you blow on about what an "expert" you are. Why can't you just accept that and carry on with your life? Do what I do; I take no notice of you because you're not in any way important for me. Just some sad sack with a low level of self-esteem and a very fragile ego.

Mit sozialistischem Gruß, Genosse!:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
Excellent, straight in with the "funny" names and the :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen: to show how funny he is.

Well, what we know is that whilst DaManDrugs was in the GDR he was:
1. A university lecturer
2. A picture framer
3. An expert picture restorer
4. Wrote a book
5. Was in 29 Field Ambulance / seconded to other units

So we must be talking at least 10 years over there. Now we know he wasn't there in '82/'83 because he was in the Falklands. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

He is, however, a black belt in google. So be careful lest he google you to death.
 

Helm

MIA
Book Reviewer
#44
Ooh, Maypole! After some truly heroic efforts, you've finally found something else that's "negative" about the GDR. Racism in East Germany, eh? Whooda thortit! It's especially important because East Germany was the only country in which racism occurred in the whole history of humankind. You've done the world a great service there, mush.

Now to your real reason for starting your stupid, infantile thread. You've always taken umbrage at the fact that I happen to know far more about the GDR than you. You stood, allegedly, on the Berlin Wall on the night if "fell". The only place you could've done that was at the Brandenburg Gate, because apart from one other place, that was the only location where the Berlin Wall had a flat top. The other place was the lintel over the gate leading to Steinstücken, before it was re-connected to West Berlin. But you'll obviously know nothing about that.

You were a squaddie in West Berlin. You could only visit Berlin, Capital of the GDR in uniform. I actually lived in Berlin, Capital of the GDR (and also in Dresden) in the late 1970s. You know practically nothing about the mentality, traditions, habits, culture, society, community or even the linguistic quirks of the East Germans and you don't speak German well enough to be able to ascertain any differences. All that is no problem for me because not only did I live in the GDR for 19 months in the late 1970s, I also moved back to East Germany at the beginning of February 1990, four months after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and remained there until December 1996.

Even I would never maintain that I know everything about the GDR, because I wasn't born and socialised there. But when I talk or write about the GDR, it's with some authority based on my personal experience; whereas you just rely on your counterparts knowing even less than you when you blow on about what an "expert" you are. Why can't you just accept that and carry on with your life? Do what I do; I take no notice of you because you're not in any way important for me. Just some sad sack with a low level of self-esteem and a very fragile ego.

Mit sozialistischem Gruß, Genosse!:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
#45
I'd forgotten about this..........

Remember the socialist paradise that was the land of workers and builders that Bugsy fondly remembers and misses so much? Turns out it was not so much a land of worker's solidarity with the 2nd and 3rd world, just another hypocritical dictatorship

I'm pretty sure when the Socialist Paradise that was East Hermany was set up, all they did was cross out the word 'National' and resume normal jogging, in many respects. It's not as if the Soviet Union which was its midwife-wetnurse-sponsor was a nation whose majority population had a long history of respect for ethnic minorities within its own borders, is it?
 
#46
Yep, about right - they even had a name for it - "Red-Brown socialism." The smart kids could see which way the war was going in '45, so as soon as 'the glorious Red-Army of rapists and looters' rolled into town it was off with the Nazi party uniforms and up with the red flag........ repeat and rinse 1945-1989

Compare and contrast FDJ with HJ.......




 
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#48
So you maintain that you spent longer in the GDR than I did. Really? I was there continually for 19 months in the late 1970s. In addition I was also there a further nine months until re-unification in October 1990. That's two years and two months altogther.
19 + 9 is 28 which is 2 years and 4 months.

You just have to lie, don't you?
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
#49
Yep, about right - they even had a name for it - "Red-Brown socialism." The smart kids could see which way the war was going in '45, so as soon as 'the glorious Red-Army of rapists and looters' rolled into town it was off with the Nazi party uniforms and up with the red flag........ repeat and rinse 1945-1989

Compare and contrast FDJ with HJ.......




All ten-year-olds? You do realise that would include kids in the UK, don't you? Because that's where the FDJ was headquartered between 1938 and 1946. See here:
Free German Youth - Wikipedia

MsG
 
#51
The KGB were shipping in enough through Schönefeld Airport to keep them in unaccountable cash......

And yes, Bugsy spent a few months there in the 1970s, which naturally makes him a SME (and Shield & Defender of the party obviously)
Bugsy had to be careful. Always risky being so indispensible to a cause. Nicholas Salmanovitch and the Old Guard found that out to their cost :p

Bonus points for the reference.
 
#52
Bugsy had to be careful. Always risky being so indispensible to a cause. Nicholas Salmanovitch and the Old Guard found that out to their cost :p

Bonus points for the reference.
And most of the Soviet Russian generals involved in putin's dirty little wars over the past 20 years - a surprising number of heart attacks, suicides and RTA's involving those who knew where (literally) the bodies where buried.....
 
#53
28 months and it dominates you whole life.
Wow.
I lived in Nottingham for 2 years but it never had the same effect on me as the GDR.
Mind you, I never framed any pictures (r other citizens) while I was there
But I did write a book (well, an academic thesis, but it was published and was 200+ pages) and, I believe,has an ISBN number.
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
#54
WFT where chaps from Mozambique doing in East Germany ?
The guerilla movement fighting against the Portuguese in Mozambique (FRELIMO ) were, like most of the anti-government groups in Africa, supported and sustained by Russia and its Warsaw Pact subsidiaries. Mozambican War of Independence - Wikipedia

Support from the Soviet Union

Main article: Cold War (1962–1979) § The Third World and nonalignment in the 1960s and 1970s
During the Cold War, and particularly in the late 1950s, the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China adopted a strategy of destabilisation of Western powers by disruption of their hold on African colonies.[51] Nikita Khrushchev, in particular, viewed the 'underdeveloped third of mankind' as a means to weaken the West. For the Soviets, Africa represented a chance to create a rift between western powers and their colonial assets, and create pro-communist states in Africa with which to foster future relations.[52]

Prior to the formation of FRELIMO, the Soviet position regarding the nationalist movements in Mozambique was one of confusion. There were multiple independence movements, and they had no sure knowledge that any would succeed. The nationalist groups in Mozambique, like those across Africa during the period, received training and equipment from the Soviet Union.[53]

Eduardo Mondlane's successor, future President of Mozambique, Samora Machel, acknowledged assistance from both Moscow and Peking, describing them as "the only ones who will really help us. ... They have fought armed struggles, and whatever they have learned that is relevant to Mozambique we will use."[54] Guerrillas received tuition in subversion and political warfare as well as military aid, specifically shipments of 122 mm artillery rockets in 1972,[52] with 1600 advisors from Russia, Cuba and East Germany.[55] FRELIMO adopted Marxism-Leninism at an early stage.[49]

The Soviet Union continued to support the new FRELIMO government against counterrevolution in the years after 1975. By 1981, there were 230 Soviet, close to 200 Cuban military and over 600 civilian Cuban advisers still in the country.[52][56] Cuba's involvement in Mozambique was as part of a continuing effort to export the anti-imperialist ideology of the Cuban Revolution and forge desperately needed new allies. Cuba provided support to liberation movements and leftist governments in numerous African countries, including Angola, Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau and Congo-Brazzaville.
[57]



Terrorists or freedom fighters ?
 
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#55
Slave workers from one socialist country to another.

The Vietnamese probably had similar experiences in the DDR as well.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
#58
Slave workers from one socialist country to another.

The Vietnamese probably had similar experiences in the DDR as well.
That's true. Although around 40 percent studied full-time in the GDR, the rest (who went there to acquaint themselves with "Socialism") were deployed on the production lines. The Vietnamese were also doubly shafted, because after the fall of the Berlin Wall, their gobment wouldn't let them back into Vietnam due to them being "spoiled" by the different living standards and possibly fomenting unrest. However, being industrious folks, they began smuggling ciggies in from Poland, Czechoslovakia (as it was then), etc, which resulted in quite a few vicious turf wars until things were, more or less, sorted out.

MsG
 
#60
So, to sum up, Socialist Paradises dare not let their people visit a Western country in case they see how good it is in the west and "contaminate" the pure comunist ideal?
And Ho Chi Minh was a nice chap who was kind to his mum.
 

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