East Asia allies doubt U.S. could win war with China

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  1. East Asia allies doubt U.S. could win war with China

    Strange little article, in which the Governor of Tokyo slates the US Army. (Is the Governor the same bloke who thought that, after an earthquake, foreigners in Tokyo would go on a crime rampage?)

    Saw this on Tanknet, where there was some debate as to why the comments had been made. (Some people felt it was to help the Japanese forces get a bigger budget.)
     
  2. Yes and Yes. His dream is to see the rebirth of the Japanese empire. I believe he also denies the Nanjing Massacre, the Bataan Deathmarch, the Rape of Manilla, the existance of Unit 731, the existance of "comfort women" and the Existance of the Death Railroad in Burma.
     
  3. Sounds like a crock of bs. Insight is a right-wing publication with a very anti-PRC slant to it funded in part by the Reverand Moon's group. Anything that to hype up focus on the Chinese as the next boogeyman.
     
  4. This is run from an article in a magazine, owned by a man that said the Holocaust was a result of the Jews killing Jesus, and is currently banned from the EU.
    I read the article and concluded that clearly Mr. Ishihara is obviously a noted military expert and not as some might suggest, "a disillusioned rabid little tw@t".
     
  5. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    A small frog in a big pond! He seems to want to draw attention to himself, with his ridicules outbursts.

    The American Army and its UN Allies stopped the Chinese Army in Korea, where mass attacks were used. I doubt that any Army would try that tactic now; however, it seems to me that the Vietnamese army had to teach the Chinese army, that very lesson on their borders just a short time ago. They sort of kicked their butts as I recall.

    http://www.china-defense.com/history/sino-vn_1/sino-vn_1-1.html

    Here are some websites devoted to this Japanese racist puke:

    http://www.tabunka.org/newsletter/ishihara_remarks.html

    http://www.imadr.org/new/ishihara1.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/12/AR2005111201032.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4678209.stm

    http://www.assemblylanguage.com/text/Ishihara.html

    http://citymayors.com/mayors/tokyo_mayor.html
     
  6. Oh yes, I forgot to mention that he publicly uses racial slurs to describe chinese, koreans, vietnamese, and filipinos. He also claimed to have been strafed by members of the Flying Tigers as a lad, then rescued by Zero Fighters :roll:

    He is a twat who wishes to reistablish supremicist racial views that people have been trying to reverse in that country for a half-century. The worst part is that he's succeeding :evil:
     
  7. chrisg46

    chrisg46 LE Book Reviewer

    Huh?? Trip Wire, Chief??? You two are agreeing on something???

    I think US would probably win, but it would quite likely be close, and it would depend on how/where the war was fought...
     
  8. I think either way, it would be the downfall of both nations. I lived with my Chinese friend's family last summer, and I actually have had the discussion with him. I'm at odds with the Chinese government on many issues, but I see no reason for a conflict which would probably result in the appocalypse

    Me and Trip_Wire had a misunderstanding, I don't really have a beef with him :wink:
     
  9. What a load of Toss.
    john
     
  10. China is a paper tiger: it's a growing force in the World, no doubt about that, but it has nothing positive to offer the World, and in the end that's what counts. Things could be different some time in the future, but only when they stop oppressing & murdering on such a vast scale, and, personally, I can't see that happening for a long time.

    China may be getting the gear, but they still have no idea. War with USA? Not very likely, but if it happened...the Yanks would spread them.
     
  11. Virgil's hit on something here about the guy being a Japanese right winger. They've had issues for donkey's years about the question of whether or not the US can be relied upon to provide for Japan's defence. They are the main cheerleaders, for amongst other things, an independent Japanese nuclear deterrent and fewer restrictions on overseas deployment of Japanese forces. There is also a lot of political hay to be made over the removal of US troops from Japanese soil

    On the other hand, stopping short of nuclear war, the article makes a point- one that traditional conservatives (realists, not neocons) have long been making regarding recent overstretch. What were are forgetting about the last time that the US squared off against China in 1950 is that the the United States had a draft, lots of surplus kit and a large proportion of the population who had prior military service that could be called upon. This is not the case today. Technology has rendered massed armies a thing of the past, but I don't care how capable a weapons system is, it can't be in two places at once.

    From an operational standpoint, the one thing Japan is most concerned about is actually an area where the US hasn't had too many problems (yet). The Japanese are absolutely obsessive over the potential submarine threat (another inevitable lesson from WWII). Unfortunately, this might not be the case for long. The first of the Los Angeles class SSNs are being decommissioned, the Seawolf class has been discontinued (after 3 hulls) and the Virginia class is struggling to find funding amid cost overruns, pressure to get the budget deficit under control and competition from the demands of ongoing ops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Add to this the fact that the USN plans to withdraw the S3 Viking from its inventory (with no envisioned replacement) and there are some big question marks regarding the MMA, intended to replace the P3 Orion.

    So far, the Japanese Self Defence Forces have relied almost exclusively on buying off the shelf from the US. They're starting to notice that there may actually be a serious divergence of interests.

    (Edited to add) Hopefully someone at BAe Systems is paying attention. :wink:
     
  12. China seem to be concerning a lot of people

    The threat

    China's Undersea Warfare: Strategy and Capabilities
    http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1332,filter.all/event_detail.asp#


    A New Look at China's Military
    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev060706a.cfm


    The Shanghai Pact: The SCO and Implications for America in Eurasia
    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev060906a.cfm

    The Challenges of China's Growth
    http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1311,filter.all/event_detail.asp

    the response


    The Evolving U.S. - Japan Alliance: QDR and a New Joint Strategy
    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/archive.cfm


    Enhancing the U.S.-Australian Alliance
    http://www.aei.org/events/type.upcoming,eventID.1352,filter.all/event_detail.asp


    The U.S.-Indian Strategic Partnership

    http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1331,filter.all/event_detail.asp
     
  13. PNAC is on the Administration's back over China too. This makes me wonder, once one takes into consideration the other pressing national security considerations and threats they've been touting over the past 10 years, what exactly they (along with Heritage and AEI) would like to see the United States become. I guess they were all sick the day they discussed guns vs butter in high school economics...
     
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    The US economy is doing just fine. In fact the US economy is doing far better than European economies where apparently they know how to run economies. Military spending, Europe has decided not to bother, just send out the diplomats to boor people to death.

    China may not be the next bogyman but it is wise to to take some precautions in case they turn out to be one.
     
  15. By 'bogyman', do you mean someone who doesn't think America has the right to rule the world?