Early Release

Discussion in 'Army Pay, Claims & JPA' started by Commander_Vimes, Jan 6, 2006.

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  1. I am facing a slight dilema and need a couple of questions answered with realistic answers rather than the usual one given by the current regiment.

    I'm due to complete 22 years in mid Apr this year, however I have been offered the chance to start contract IT work from the first week in March. It's a decent offer and will bring me the same money in.

    Now the probs are these:

    1. I presme that as I want to get away I'll lose my termination leave is that correct?

    2. Therefore if I lose the term leave how long do I have to wait on average for the gratuity/commutation to come into my grubby mitts.

    3. How difficult is it to have my current security level transfered over to the new company, if at all poss, as this will dictate how long I have to kick my heels for.
     
  2. you will lose your pension unless you complete 22 years exactly. Your gratuity will be as if you had left at your 12 year point. I know admin. are very **** on pensions at the moment
     
  3. You will lose your immediate pension if you fail to complete 22 years. If you dont do 22 years - your penson kicks in at 65 years of age. I agree with Sunjock, they are being **** about pensions at the moment. Can't think why. :wink:
     
  4. I can't see why you have anything to worry about. If you are on terminal leave you are allowed to take up a new job during taht period without giving any notice to the Army. Start your new job and let your time expire as it would. Don't for f*cks sake sign off for the matter of a week. You'll get your final pay as normal. Nobody gives a toss what you do on your terminal leave. Take two wages, everybody else does it. You will pay higher tax for that month as you won't have your P45 to give to your new employer but that's about it. Speak to your new employer and explain the situation. I'm sure that, for a the matter of a few weeks, they will be Ok about it. It's only a matter of asking them mate. Best of luck.
     
  5. C_V,

    Biscuits is right. Sounds about 6 weeks to play with, why mess up the 22 year joys for that?.

    There are ways and means to oget everyone's agreement, especially if you can arrnage your de-kit and HOTO to your advantage.

    PM me if you need some tips, I managed to get away 2.5 months early and so did quite a few other guys I know.
     
  6. Hang on, Commander! You are due to finish in mid-Apr and you are hacking around now deciding what to do?

    First Question:

    You cannot officially leave early without screwing up your pension (1975 version presumably) and your gratuity. Don't even think about it at this stage in your career! Depending on your rank, there are hundreds of thousands of pounds at stake!

    1. When is your Run Out Date! Have your boss and Pay Office agreed that date is your final day? Have you received confirmation from Records? It is usually about now that Glasgow throws a nice little googly at you marked "you signed up on X but didn't turn up until Y and owe us 14 days" or "remember the 56 days you did in Colchester in 1983.....?".
    2. From memory - and I am not going to run off and check - you receive 28 days resettlement leave. That brings us back to mid-March.
    3. You have just had a full leave year - do you have leave left? Easter is in mid-Apr, so that might be 2 Bank Holidays you can claim plus 2.5 days for every month served, but that might be complete months. Your Pay Office should have told you your entitlement.
    4. Did you take your 10 days graduated resettlement leave (I think it's called)?
    5. Have you taken your full resettlement training entitlement?

    So, there we are - in early March! But those are my immediate thoughts!

    Second Question: Your gratuity etc will be paid to the nominated bank account as soon as all the exit paperwork is complete - especially the final medical. Most people reckon that it takes less than a month.

    Third Question: This is usually the killer. If you are talking about returning to the MOD to work as a contractor, it is my experience that your previous clearance counts for nothing; they start again! Even if you join the MOD Civil Service!

    Comment: Subject to the usual caveats, if you worked for me, you would have produced your draft diary at the 6 mth's point and your final diary at the 3 mth's point (in other words, this week or next). I would then know whether I could release you in early March and we would have discussed that!

    I believe but cannot give you the reference, that you can start work for another company during your final 28 day's resettlement leave. Welcome to the 40% tax bracket and the deep joy of a tax return.

    Your boss has a degree of latitude that may allow him to release you early, if he is satisfied that you have dekitted etc and the job is in your long-term interests. Again, I cannot quote the reference. Promise him that you are at the end of a mobile if he needs you! End Comment.

    Immediate Action: Gather together your documents, identify your ROD, work back from there with your entitlements. Produce a daily diary showing where you are for the next three months. If the company want you to start before the MOD lets you go - negotiate with the company first. Then negotiate with your boss. On your hands and knees if the gap is large!

    Good Luck,

    Litotes
     
  7. This is one of the sticking points, I have been told in the past that you can be released upto 3 months early without losing the IP and Gratuity, obviously a deep level bum steer and wanted independant and experienced advice. Thanks for the replies

    For Biscuits/Chris 951.

    Yeah it is only six weeks and the bosses are letting me shoot off at the end of Jan as long as I don't take up any other paid work. I was planning to take on some voluntary stuff untill Mar when the termination leave starts so that is probably back on the cards.

    [/quote=Litoes]
    First Question:

    You cannot officially leave early without screwing up your pension (1975 version presumably) and your gratuity. Don't even think about it at this stage in your career! Depending on your rank, there are hundreds of thousands of pounds at stake!

    1. When is your Run Out Date! Have your boss and Pay Office agreed that date is your final day? Have you received confirmation from Records? It is usually about now that Glasgow throws a nice little googly at you marked "you signed up on X but didn't turn up until Y and owe us 14 days" or "remember the 56 days you did in Colchester in 1983.....?".
    2. From memory - and I am not going to run off and check - you receive 28 days resettlement leave. That brings us back to mid-March.
    3. You have just had a full leave year - do you have leave left? Easter is in mid-Apr, so that might be 2 Bank Holidays you can claim plus 2.5 days for every month served, but that might be complete months. Your Pay Office should have told you your entitlement.
    4. Did you take your 10 days graduated resettlement leave (I think it's called)?
    5. Have you taken your full resettlement training entitlement?[/quote]

    1. Dates are now signd which is why it is mid April and not the end of March, mores the pity
    2. Still get that which does take me to about 17/18 Mar,
    3/4/5 Every thing taken but have about 7 working days left.


    Sort of what I expected as I had asked earlier was just trying to get a straw poll on the time frame.

    Again being given differing information, some of the recruiters who are putting together the JPA/DII2/Global rollouts are saying that it is still valid for two years after, they may sponsor it as such but this negates the requirement to reapply. I could be getting duff info on this as well so thought I'd ask.

    More than one way to skin this particular cat I think :lol: As I've said earlier in this reply all the bosses are happy for me to evac as soon as the replacement arrives, so will have almost cleared by then anyway just leaving de-kit and final med to sort out.

    I will probably get back in touch with the recruiters and perhaps see if they have any jobs that I could "volunteer" on with them paying reasonable expenses, you know food, lodgings, travel, beer tokens :p. Perhaps even with a view to permanent employment at the end with a small loyalty bonus to welcome me to the company.

    Thanks to everone for the help and advice though, will just re-evaluate and try to flank from another direction
     
  8. I am pleased to see that the situation is not as desperate as I first thought! Ring your resettlement officer and ask when you can officially take up paid employment. Or write a letter to your CO asking for permission - it is the same thing as applying to work at weekends, IMHO. Especially as it is for JPA!!!!!

    I think you are worrying unnecessarily - as long as your dekit, medical and docs are all programmed, and your boss knows where to find you and knows that you will be working (and what does he expect?), then there shouldn't be a problem!

    Clearance and contractors can be strange bed-fellows. I have seen perfectly good arrangements come adrift and other, weaker cases, sail through. Access to HQ Land was a breeze but a small Land support unit blistered onto a larger "other HQ" organisation was a real pain - with all contractors escorted at all times - even though they all had clearance.

    Litotes
     
  9. Had a Bezza - real mate do the same last May.

    Working for the new firm but still on contract to HM.

    On his last 6 months and was "lucky" enough to have his digging in the mud leave.

    The OC knew where he was and so did the TAX man(40%).

    Now his pension paying for the house and he is IT up to his eyes but on 4K a month.

    Must agree with your CO/OC that it is actually OK with them and warn your new boss that you might..... be called away to save the world if needed.

    and keep it all legal.
     
  10. You can be released up to three months before your normal discharge date as long as you have a firm job offer - this will not effect your pension etc - Pensions warrant 1977 article 146 - also see QRs para 9.400 g. However, I have never come across a unit/CO that would make you go through this procedure - loads of people leaving get jobs well before their term leave all that is required is the COs permission!!
     
  11. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    Security clearance information seems to have improved of late - I've dealt with DVA on behalf of my employer and if they can trace a valid clearance from previous service or employment they will confirm it, at least for CTC. Note that you can't do it yourself - the unit or employer has to make the request.