E-mails that make you stop and think

#1
I got sent the following message a while ago and I can't get it out of my head


Subject: Muslims

With Muslims establishing their own schools, one wonders how their kids will acquire our values and be able to successfully integrate into our society.

This incident happened in London ..

The Uncomfortable Definition of an Infidel...

FACT: Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK

Last month I attended my annual training session for maintaining my security clearance in the prison service.
There was a presentation by three speakers from the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained their beliefs.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say about the basics of Islam, complete with video.

After the presentations, it was question time. I directed my question to the Imam and asked:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a Holy War against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statement and, without hesitation he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not a follower of Allah, so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'

The expression on his face changed from one of authority to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the biscuit tin.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

I then stated, 'Well, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill Muslims, or the Archbishop of Canterbury ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Imam was speechless!

I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because he will take me to heaven and he wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam remained speechless.

Needless to say, the organizers of the Diversification seminar were not happy with this way of exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.

Within twenty years, ie. 2029, there will be enough Muslim voters in the UK to elect a government of their choice, complete with Sharia law.

Everyone in the U.K. should be required to read this, but with the current political paralysis, tolerant justice system, liberal media and P.C.madness, there is no way this will be widely publicised.

Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

John Harrison MBE. MIDSc
 
#2
SILENCE.... I KEEL YOU!!!!
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
hairyhandbag said:
I have just got a kebab, my first in ages
I've noticed since I moved down south I cant find a kebab shop who serves them with mint yoghurt sauce - they all insist on serving them with garlic sauce.
I'm not impressed, I tell you.
 
#8
Still presents facts though, doesn't it?
 
#9
maguire said:
hairyhandbag said:
I have just got a kebab, my first in ages
I've noticed since I moved down south I cant find a kebab shop who serves them with mint yoghurt sauce - they all insist on serving them with garlic sauce.
I'm not impressed, I tell you.
Agreed, but there is always a little gem like Ali's in Blandford (I am not there but mouth still drools) and where I am in Devon you get a choice of yoghurt. Don't have it on mine at the mo, just savouring the taste
 
#12
hairyhandbag said:
CQMS said:
The same "facts" you get in the bible.
Which bible?
The God botherers one, here's some crackers

Numbers 31:17-18

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

or

Deuteronomy 20:16

16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

There's loads more, none about kebabs though.
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
hairyhandbag said:
maguire said:
hairyhandbag said:
I have just got a kebab, my first in ages
I've noticed since I moved down south I cant find a kebab shop who serves them with mint yoghurt sauce - they all insist on serving them with garlic sauce.
I'm not impressed, I tell you.
Agreed, but there is always a little gem like Ali's in Blandford (I am not there but mouth still drools) and where I am in Devon you get a choice of yoghurt. Don't have it on mine at the mo, just savouring the taste
none of them down here measure up to the sheer garlicy niceness of either Yianni's in northern moor or The Appetiser in northenden. I'd murder for one of Yianni's finest and a couple of turkey sticks right now.
 
#14
Remember, the truth will prevail.

I prefer your version of events though.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp


If one is willing to ignore history, context, and actual practice when quoting scripture and other religious texts, followers of just about any religion can be painted as uniformly fanatic and intolerant. Consider the following recasting of the piece quoted above:

The minister gave a great presentation of the basics of Christianity, complete with a video. After the presentations time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the minister and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that in Exodus 35:2, the Bible instructs Christians to kill everyone who works on the sabbath: 'Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.'"

There was no disagreement with my statement.

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. God has commanded Christians to kill everyone who works on Sunday, even Muslims and other non-Christians?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then said, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine the Prophet Muhammad commanding all Muslims to kill those of your faith for not observing the Muslim sabbath."

The minister was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with your Bible commanding all Christians to stone to death anyone who criticizes your God, as detailed in Leviticus 24:16. Let me ask you a question . . . would you rather have your God who tell you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Allah who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the minister hung his head in shame.



Edited. Bleeding CQMS beat me to it by a whole 16 minutes. Fancy having information like that at the drop of a hat.
Bloody God Bods.
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
and that bit in the bible about killing men who try their missus' clothes on... I mean, everyone's done that at one time or another havent they?

havent they???? :oops:
 
#16
maguire said:
and that bit in the bible about killing men who try their missus' clothes on... I mean, everyone's done that at one time or another havent they?

havent they???? :oops:
No, the day we arranged it your missus couldn't make it, I think 2Pl hadn't finished.
 
#17
Sorry CQMS edit my previsous while you were typing.

However on my local church the board has a poster which says from the book of John something like:
"He who comes unto me I shall not drive away"

some wag has put underneath it

"We always do" XY Taxis 01*** ****** :D
 
#18
CQMS said:
hairyhandbag said:
CQMS said:
The same "facts" you get in the bible.
Which bible?
The God botherers one, here's some crackers

Numbers 31:17-18

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

or

Deuteronomy 20:16

16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

There's loads more, none about kebabs though.
Yes, but surely given the geographical region, kebabs could have existed in some shape or form in biblical times, as indeed they exist in many cultures, from the Greek yeeros to the Mexican burrito. Take this quote from the book of Deuterronjeremy: "And the Landlord did spake thus to the hosts of Midian, "Time gentlemen please". And the hosts of Midian did rise up as one and sayeth "Well I'm off then" and they did take themselves to the kebab van and order "One with the lot mate, with chilli thanks".And the bloke behind the counter said "What is this chilli of which you speak? We have tzatziki, take it or leave it" and yea verily the hosts of Midian did say "Are you 'avin' a fcukin' laugh mate, tzatziki's for poofs".
 
#20
Why does Google put a muslim dating service ad on this page? :? Surely we're talking about kebab shops here. :?

 
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