DVLA & LGV Driver Shortage

dontenn

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There was no problem with fuel in the north east until the media started scare mongering, now people are filling every void just to make sure they can get to work. Yes i have filled to the brim and containers jerry cans filled too. Its driven by false news and the public are biting... you cant blame them. Use the military there are loads sat on their Arrses.
 
There was no problem with fuel in the north east until the media started scare mongering, now people are filling every void just to make sure they can get to work. Yes i have filled to the brim and containers jerry cans filled too. Its driven by false news and the public are biting... you cant blame them. Use the military there are loads sat on their Arrses.
That is the same as blaming the 'media' for bad weather, simply because they publish weather forecast.

Should the media not publish what is a critical story? What false story?

Reporting has been balanced, along with constant calls from the government and industry not to panic buy. But humans are humans...

Even if we deployed every Serviceman in the Army as tanker drivers (impossible at so many levels) this would roughly - and temporarily- address half the driver shortage. And how many are trained in taking fuel from a depot and dispensing fuel into forecourt tanks? A vanishingly small number.

How about you think before being lazy and blaming the media for a problem caused by industry rapaciousness, government intransigence, Brexit and Covid?
 
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That is the same as blaming the 'media' for bad weather, simply because they publish weather forecast.

Should the media not publish what is a critical story? What false story?

Reporting has been balanced, along with constant calls from the government and industry not to panic buy. But humans are humans...

Even if we deployed every Serviceman in the Army as tanker drivers (impossible at so many levels) this would roughly - and temporarily- address half the driver shortage. And how many are trained in taking fuel from a depot and dispensing fuel into forecourt tanks? A vanishingly small number.

How about you think before being lazy and blaming the media for a problem caused by industry rapaciousness, government intransigence, Brexit and Covid?
There is no issue with ADR qualified drivers, same as there is no issue with the amount of fuel available, this all started because one paper reported BP shutting 12 forecourts out of 1200 due to logistical issues. The MSM have then gone into overdrive creating a non story and fuelling panic.
 
There is no issue with ADR qualified drivers, same as there is no issue with the amount of fuel available, this all started because one paper reported BP shutting 12 forecourts out of 1200 due to logistical issues. The MSM have then gone into overdrive creating a non story and fuelling panic.
That is exactly what appears to have happened.
 

Truxx

LE
There is no issue with ADR qualified drivers, same as there is no issue with the amount of fuel available, this all started because one paper reported BP shutting 12 forecourts out of 1200 due to logistical issues. The MSM have then gone into overdrive creating a non story and fuelling panic.
The current media descriptor is "panic buying"

It should more properly be described as "selfish buying" and shamed.
 
There is no issue with ADR qualified drivers, same as there is no issue with the amount of fuel available, this all started because one paper reported BP shutting 12 forecourts out of 1200 due to logistical issues. The MSM have then gone into overdrive creating a non story and fuelling panic.
That's right. There are NO empty tanks on forecourts at all. No driver shortage and no government action to remediate a long-standing situation. Fake News.
 
The point I am making is that the media are not to blame for the driver shortage and the consequences of that shortage.
BP,s shortage of drivers is due solely to them ( and the other fuel companies to be fair) farming out their in house driver operations to the likes of Hoyer and imperial, who have chiselled away the rates and terms to the extent they no longer have a queue of drivers wanting to do the job .
(which needs qualifications and a skill set that only the terminally stupid are going to think an open door to Eastern Europe is going to fill)
What the RHA is desperate for is the flood gates to open again to depress the pay scales again like the last decade and a half gave them.
They are pissing in the wind, but someone is working a grid and has seen the opportunity to put pressure on the govt using this issue. ( and it appears stupid drivers of cars.)
My final observation, the ease with which you (the unthinking end of the populace) has been led on this issue by the MSM and its instigators, will have been noted by those with their own agenda, expect more use of similar tools in future.
 
The current media descriptor is "panic buying"

It should more properly be described as "selfish buying" and shamed.

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Truxx

LE
BP,s shortage of drivers is due solely to them ( and the other fuel companies to be fair) farming out their in house driver operations to the likes of Hoyer and imperial, who have chiselled away the rates and terms to the extent they no longer have a queue of drivers wanting to do the job .
(which needs qualifications and a skill set that only the terminally stupid are going to think an open door to Eastern Europe is going to fill)
What the RHA is desperate for is the flood gates to open again to depress the pay scales again like the last decade and a half gave them.
They are pissing in the wind, but someone is working a grid and has seen the opportunity to put pressure on the govt using this issue. ( and it appears stupid drivers of cars.)
My final observation, the ease with which you (the unthinking end of the populace) has been led on this issue by the MSM and its instigators, will have been noted by those with their own agenda, expect more use of similar tools in future.
Excellent for your observation of working a grid (very Alastair Campbell of you)

I totally agree. In this regard the likes of the RHA are useful idiots
 

syrup

LE
The point I am making is that the media are not to blame for the driver shortage and the consequences of that shortage.

So who is responsible for hundreds of motorists suddenly descending on garages and filing anything they can get their hands on with petrol r diesel?

Bringing in the Army won't solve it neither will 5000 Eastern European half wits who take 48 shunts to get a trailer somewhere near the bay they are supposed to be on.
It'll appease the RHA's multi millionaire members who will have people once more willing to work for peanuts

The only thing that will increase will be bridge strikes and accidents
 

Truxx

LE
So who is responsible for hundreds of motorists suddenly descending on garages and filing anything they can get their hands on with petrol r diesel?

Bringing in the Army won't solve it neither will 5000 Eastern European half wits who take 48 shunts to get a trailer somewhere near the bay they are supposed to be on.
It'll appease the RHA's multi millionaire members who will have people once more willing to work for peanuts

The only thing that will increase will be bridge strikes and accidents
Bringing in the Army is exactly what is needed.

Parked on every forecourt turning anyone with more than half a thankful of fuel away and bundling anyone turning up with a plastic or jerrycan into the back of a 4 tonner for some re-education.
 
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Daz

LE
The point I am making is that the media are not to blame for the driver shortage and the consequences of that shortage.
The driver shortage has been an issue for a large number of years, and in the main, it's been caused by two parties, the EU and the Haulage Industry, not HMG.

1997 - EU mandated license types across the EU, this lead to C1 and B+E entitlements being removed from newly passed drivers - this feeds into the current shortage of 7.5T drivers at the moment, due to an ageing workforce and a lack of young replacement willing to hump and dump for the likes of Currys etc.

2008/2009 - EU Mandated Drivers CPC -For all new drivers, adding yet another hurdle to people gaining their licenses

2010 - EU Mandated AWR Regs - This led to a load of "alternative" payment schemes being introduced which drove down wages, while benefiting various players in the transport industry as it reduced their cost base.

2011 - Free Movement of Workers Regulation 2011 - Couple with the lifting of restrictions from EU ascension countries, this brought about the importation of cheap labour which once again drove down pay rates and conditions for UK workers.

2013/2014 - The cut-off date for those drivers who held an HGV license prior to Sept 2009. A large number of older drivers buggered off due to this, citing cost and you can't teach a granny to suck eggs.

2018/2019 - A repeat of the above.

You can add into that mix various changes to Driving license testing requirements over the years and an unwillingness for the industry as a whole to invest in staff and conditions while aiming to reduce costs to the bone, hence an ageing UK workforce that's lacking replacements.
 
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Slime

LE
Talkradio have just done a news segment saying the Petrol Retail Asssoiation (PRA) are saying they don't think the army have the skills to operate tankers.

While the army obviously already has tanker drivers in both regular and reserve forms that won't be the issue imho.

I sense the currently closed cartel that is the fuel tanker industry are running scared a truck the prospect that they long established practices may be about to be broken up.

And that can only be a good thing.
 

TotalBanker

Old-Salt
IR35 relates to drivers being classed as self employed under a umberella limited company

Basically a scam to avoid paying tax/NI on them as employees. Its a loophole that has rightly been closed
Its been years in the pipeline but has come alng at the same time as Brexit and Coronavirus
Its been applied in other industries for years though. It was common up until about 10 odd years ago for banking contractors to be their own company, for contracts that were short term or long term and rolled, effectively making them a perm employee. The govt shut that down (Browns government bought it in, I THINK), and suddenly everyone had to contract directly or leave, no employer would pay through a limited company any more (i think some did if they rock solidly knew they were taking someone on short term only and didn't fall foul of breaching the ir35 time limits)
 
Bringing in the Army is exactly what is needed.

Parked on ever forecourt turning anyone with more than half a thankful of fuel away and bundling anyone turning up with a plastic or jerrcan into the back of a 4 tonner for some re-education.

Squaddie, "Sorry, mate. No jerrycans allowed".

Driver, "Fcuk off! You can't tell me what to do!"

Squaddie. "It's the rules, mate. Anyway, you can't waste time here; you've got to get to A&E so they can treat that nasty head wound"

Driver, "But I don't have a head wound!"

Squaddie(twats him with a pick-helve)"You do now, mate..." :twisted:
 
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